PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[MadhattersLT]

Loverboie, have you been out that far into West Philly lately? I don't think there's much of a chance for areas north of Larchwood and west of let's say 52nd St to be turned around like you're saying.
And what do you do with the thousands of people who do live out there? Overall they would be the ones getting screwed over with higher property values.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

I thought Siena Place stalled at the height of the recession?

I took these photos in 2012 -- has it changed since then?

Also of note IIRC there was some sort of barracks or public housing on the site before Siena place began. I recall seeing the low sloped roofs from the Schuylkill waaaaaaay back in the late 90s when I was a kid.

Yes. It's much more built out than it was even a year or two ago. For the longest time, only 1 or two rows sat like tumble weeds in a dessert. Now, I want to say there are at least 8 or 9 completed rows of homes fully occupied with more underway. ***EDIT: I just looked on google satellite and EIGHTEEN rows of homes are complete (with 4-8 homes in a row) with another 7 underway.*** Basically, it looks like everything north of Hartranft is complete or underway. The question is, is there a next phase south of Hartranft in the triangle between Hartranft, Pennrose, and 76? I seem to recall there was because I remember reading that the motel on that parcel was destined for the wrecking ball as a part of this project. If nothing else, that makes this project a winner in my book.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Yes. It's much more built out than it was even a year or two ago. For the longest time, only 1 or two rows sat like tumble weeds in a dessert. Now, I want to say there are at least 8 or 9 completed rows of homes fully occupied with more underway. ***EDIT: I just looked on google satellite and EIGHTEEN rows of homes are complete (with 4-8 homes in a row) with another 7 underway.*** Basically, it looks like everything north of Hartranft is complete or underway. The question is, is there a next phase south of Hartranft in the triangle between Hartranft, Pennrose, and 76? I seem to recall there was because I remember reading that the motel on that parcel was destined for the wrecking ball as a part of this project. If nothing else, that makes this project a winner in my book.

Looks like it will fill in the south side too, but this image seems to include the motel. In this image, Hartranft is in the center with the North side of the site on the right of the image and the south side on the left:



http://www.advancedgeoservices.com/residential/

[summersm343]

Dalian on the Park - 22nd and Pennsylvania Ave - 10 floors
Update from Naked Philly



http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-philly/lo...getting-closer-target-targeting-takeover

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Looks like it will fill in the south side too, but this image seems to include the motel. In this image, Hartranft is in the center with the North side of the site on the right of the image and the south side on the left:



http://www.advancedgeoservices.com/residential/

So the site line is the old Penrose Ferry Road easement.

That site plan is so very suburban. It's a shame. Penrose would have real potential, if it weren't such a stroad.

Heh ... Lemme note that that site plan is actually fairly New Urbanist, and would, in most cities, be the most urban thing anybody's built in a generation. It's just that, in the context of South Philly -- one of the most urban places in the country -- it doesn't feel too particularly urban.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

So the site line is the old Penrose Ferry Road easement.

That site plan is so very suburban. It's a shame. Penrose would have real potential, if it weren't such a stroad.

Heh ... Lemme note that that site plan is actually fairly New Urbanist, and would, in most cities, be the most urban thing anybody's built in a generation. It's just that, in the context of South Philly -- one of the most urban places in the country -- it doesn't feel too particularly urban.

Again, I don't disagree. But South Philadelphians, I think, have always thought of Packer Park as suburban South Philadelphia. And again, in that respect, I think the project succeeds. Just like the Navy Yard offers an alternative to companies that wouldn't otherwise move to Philadelphia (or stay in Philadelphia), a development like this offers an option to a person or family who wouldn't otherwise be here.

It's a handsome development. It uses up a fallow site, increasing density. It also puts something in a spot where I never thought anything would go based on adjacencies to 76, the railroad, etc. And most importantly, although it took awhile, it looks like people have started to scoop these homes up.

I found the site plan on the Siena Place website (it's sorta hidden) and it looks like north of Hartranft there are about 140 homes. In total, about all but 40 of them are sold, the 40 mainly being in buildings that are not yet under construction in the NE quadrant of the site plan north of Hartranft (southeast in the view that was posted here).

All in all, there are 331 homes in this plan. That's not nothing. It increases density nicely.


***Lastly, in the same google satellite view of this development I panned to the west over the old refinery site...If someone can post a pic it would be appreciated as I don't have the patience. But, it looks like much of the old refinery site has been dis-assembled, which I knew (the land between 76 and the Schuykill). ***BUT*** It now shows a few blocks of that site having been greened...the fallow land which was previously brown is now green and clearly freshly planted with grass. If that's the case, it's HUGE. Remember, this is that zone that planners have sort of pegged as being the next Navy Yard...a zone of low to mid rise developments for science companies and suburbanesque tenants (think lab space) that will run along the river from the Navy Yard up to University City...I recall the plan calls for a new road called River Road to run all the way from Center City basically down to the Navy Yard. Could it be that remediation is done on this part of the site and the master plan is progressing?

I wonder how long it will be until the next phases of the plan (infrastructure, etc) are revealed? Can someone post a pic of the google satellite image? As that greenery replaces the old rusted hulks of refineries being disassembled, the perception of the city as you come into it from afar (ie. flights into the airport) will change immensely. I can't think of a more apt way to illustrate the transformation of this great city.

[Arch+Eng]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Again, I don't disagree. But South Philadelphians, I think, have always thought of Packer Park as suburban South Philadelphia. And again, in that respect, I think the project succeeds. Just like the Navy Yard offers an alternative to companies that wouldn't otherwise move to Philadelphia (or stay in Philadelphia), a development like this offers an option to a person or family who wouldn't otherwise be here.

It's a handsome development. It uses up a fallow site, increasing density. It also puts something in a spot where I never thought anything would go based on adjacencies to 76, the railroad, etc. And most importantly, although it took awhile, it looks like people have started to scoop these homes up.

I found the site plan on the Siena Place website (it's sorta hidden) and it looks like north of Hartranft there are about 140 homes. In total, about all but 40 of them are sold, the 40 mainly being in buildings that are not yet under construction in the NE quadrant of the site plan north of Hartranft (southeast in the view that was posted here).

All in all, there are 331 homes in this plan. That's not nothing. It increases density nicely.


***Lastly, in the same google satellite view of this development I panned to the west over the old refinery site...If someone can post a pic it would be appreciated as I don't have the patience. But, it looks like much of the old refinery site has been dis-assembled, which I knew (the land between 76 and the Schuykill). ***BUT*** It now shows a few blocks of that site having been greened...the fallow land which was previously brown is now green and clearly freshly planted with grass. If that's the case, it's HUGE. Remember, this is that zone that planners have sort of pegged as being the next Navy Yard...a zone of low to mid rise developments for science companies and suburbanesque tenants (think lab space) that will run along the river from the Navy Yard up to University City...I recall the plan calls for a new road called River Road to run all the way from Center City basically down to the Navy Yard. Could it be that remediation is done on this part of the site and the master plan is progressing?

I wonder how long it will be until the next phases of the plan (infrastructure, etc) are revealed? Can someone post a pic of the google satellite image? As that greenery replaces the old rusted hulks of refineries being disassembled, the perception of the city as you come into it from afar (ie. flights into the airport) will change immensely. I can't think of a more apt way to illustrate the transformation of this great city.

I always wanted to split up all of that Sunoco Land

[hammersklavier]

Passyunk is the dividing line. Sunoco (now sold to some company with a name like "Philadelphia Energy Solutions") has always been an active refinery. North of Passyunk is the old Philadelphia Gas Works facility: that's the empty land.

I think you're reading too much into the satellite imagery. Newer Google satellite imagery shows brighter greens in general. AFAIK the site is still lying fallow.

[kingtut]

Brandywine's sale of the old post office to KIM of S.Korea is a very positive sign that Philly is being looked at by Asian investors . I hope this is the start of more signs that Philly is on the verge of becoming a world player .My second thought why is Brandywine divesting real- estate for cash . They certainly have some thing big going on but what ?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by kingtut

Brandywine's sale of the old post office to KIM of S.Korea is a very positive sign that Philly is being looked at by Asian investors . I hope this is the start of more signs that Philly is on the verge of becoming a world player .My second thought why is Brandywine divesting real- estate for cash . They certainly have some thing big going on but what ?

Yes. They do have something big going on.

[Boku]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Yes. They do have something big going on.

I going to assume it's that 3,000-footer someone mentioned before.

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Yes. They do have something big going on.

This?

[Philly Fan]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Yes. They do have something big going on.

As long as it includes both a Wendy's AND a Target.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

This?

2100 Market and Cira II and another project they refuse to let any information out on.

[summersm343]

Revitalized Hale Building to Feature Office Space, Retail and a Roof Deck

Now that work is well underway at the Divine Lorraine on North Broad Street, it’s time to shift our collective armchair-redevelopment gaze upon another masterpiece from Willis G. Hale.

Brickstone is making moves up and down Chestnut Street east of Broad Street, and the development company has big plans to revive the Hale Building at Chestnut and Juniper into a tech-focused office space featuring ground floor retail, with the latter being a far cry from the Valu-Plus discount store that once called the architectural wonder home. Designed by Hale in 1887, the company purchased the downtrodden building in September for $4.7 million, according to public records.

Though no tenants have yet to sign on for the retail space, Brickstone's Greg Heflin said they are seeking a restaurant fronting Chestnut Street, and probably a coffee shop for Sansom Street. The office entrance will be on Juniper Street.

The development company went before the Washington Square West Civic Association on Tuesday night to present plans for an outdoor amenity deck specifically for the office space. A special exception approval is needed for the roof deck on a non-residential building, in which case it would be able to be built by-right.

Attorney Peter Kelsen, who later presented Carl Dranoff's plan for a Hyde Hotel and residences at Broad and Pine, called the outdoor space at the Hale Building a "tenant amenity for the office user, not for the retail user." The deck is not intended to be clearly visible from Chestnut Street. Kelsen also mentioned that the facade would remain intact, but restored and upgraded. “It's an historic building with great architecture," said Kelsen. "We want to bring it back to its former promenence.”

The presentation was brief, but the entrance on Chestnut Street was discussed, specifically the future of the "Valu-Plus thing," as one board member called it. Heflin said they would be taking down the sign and modern facade "as quickly as possible."

Though renderings were not made available, a representative from JKRP Architects said that the entrance would free-standing and frameless glass portal connected to the facade. Neither Heflin nor representatives from JKRP were available for comment at this time, and Kelsen said they could take the project before the Zoning Board of Adjustment in late-January or early-February.

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/property/2015/1...ail-and-a-roof-deck/#LP0FoGfO0b4OjUpK.99

[Arch+Eng]

If that whole Philadelphia Energy Solutions site got developed, we would have "West South Philly"

[McBane]

Originally Posted by summersm343

2100 Market and Cira II and another project they refuse to let any information out on.

Their other big holding is the recently purchased garage at 6th (?) and Market. What other major properties do they own? Or maybe the "project" is the purchase of more land?

Whatever it is, BRING IT!

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by McBane

Their other big holding is the recently purchased garage at 6th (?) and Market. What other major properties do they own? Or maybe the "project" is the purchase of more land?

Whatever it is, BRING IT!

I have absolutely no idea and I couldn't even begin to guess. I was told they would be releasing more information on 2100 Market and Cira II in 2016 and that they had a large project in the early stages under wraps.

[MusicMan84]

Penn apparently moving ahead with the project at 36th/Sansom

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[Philly Fan]

Originally Posted by MusicMan84

Penn apparently moving ahead with the project at 36th/Sansom

I'd been wondering about that, since they had said earlier this year that construction would start in December. For those who want a reminder of what this will be:





More here:

http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/find_a...tical_science_and_economics_overview.php