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Old Posted Dec 17, 2015, 3:13 AM
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My understanding is that the City of Vancouver, which derives its powers from the Province under the Vancouver Charter, has broader powers than other municipalities in BC which are granted powers under the Local Government Act (formerly the Municipal Act) (including New Westminster, which I think is older than Vancouver).
You don't hear about other municipalities purporting to regulate to such fine detail (anyone correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Here's a link to the Vancouver Charter and an excerpt that might be the empowering section:
Most municipalities of any size have some form of UDP equivalent, though you are right to point out that the City of Vancouver is unique and its powers are stronger by way of the charter (the clause you highlighted is at the heart of it). This is also why they uphold their own Building Code. All municipalities across the country possess their powers through delegation from the provinces. This power is delegated to the provinces by the division of powers the Constitution Act imposes on the Federal and Provincial governments. That is a matter of constitutional law.

Statute Law comes from legislation from the two levels of constitutional government. The Municipal Act (the LGA) stands beside the Vancouver Charter (which is a separate Statute), as well as other pertinant statutes: the Architects Act, Builders Lien Act, Land Title Act, Property Law Act, and of course, many others.

Charters are a little different than outright Statutes, but they exist by an independent act of delegation by the province. You are right to say that Vancouver derives its power through the province by way of its charter. However, Charter Cities (and there are only a handful across the entire country) possess considerable independence of power which is secure from the Municipal Act. They are their own little fiefdoms.

New West is an example of a non-charter city that has its own design panel. Just look at the Plaza 88 process.

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Frankly I wish the UDP had more power, specifically over single family homes which are causing far more visual pollution than multifamily. The worst multifamily or commercial descends merely to the level of banality, in SFH it plummets to atrocious.
SFH is a lost cause. It is where municipal governments acknowledge two things: 1) Private Property, when tied to individuals, is a much trickier thing to govern in the terms if this discussion; and 2) Resources - they wouldn't have a hope in hell dealing with so many individual cases. Though, don't think for a minute that they don't try wherever they can. They usually get sticky when actual architects are involved, trying to do something of quality . . . while acres of absolute crap tract housing goes up all over the place.

Architects do design a lot of houses, and a few good contractors do likewise, but together they account for about 5% of the market. Architects have long since given up (with the odd exception here and there) on the 'background' SFH.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2015, 3:54 AM
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Historically, people would mail away for house plans, then build their own house!
That would have probably been a predecessor to tract housing.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2015, 10:50 PM
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We pay these guys for what?
The UDP is a volunteer body. Panellists receive no remuneration.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2015, 11:23 PM
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The UDP is a volunteer body. Panellists receive no remuneration.
Nor should they
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 3:08 AM
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The UDP is a volunteer body. Panellists receive no remuneration.
All members are appointed by council which tells me that they have to apply for the job, and then not get paid.

Not that I don't believe you, but it doesn't seem like a position you volunteer for.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 6:43 AM
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Frankly I wish the UDP had more power, specifically over single family homes which are causing far more visual pollution than multifamily. The worst multifamily or commercial descends merely to the level of banality, in SFH it plummets to atrocious.
Hey whatnext,

I'm curious what you mean by this. Any chance you could post some examples?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 8:59 AM
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Hey whatnext,

I'm curious what you mean by this. Any chance you could post some examples?

The monotony of most new houses in Vancouver attests to this. It amazes me how overused some house designs are by the local architects. Its mostly been 'cut and paste' architecture with little or no variation for decades. I guess it will make it easier to redevelop SFH neighborhoods for future multi family if theres nothing architecturally significant or different enough in design to consider saving.


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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 9:06 AM
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Hey whatnext,

I'm curious what you mean by this. Any chance you could post some examples?

Sorry for the size. The pic sums it up perfectly though.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 10:14 AM
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The monotony of most new houses in Vancouver attests to this. It amazes me how overused some house designs are by the local architects. Its mostly been 'cut and paste' architecture with little or no variation for decades. I guess it will make it easier to redevelop SFH neighborhoods for future multi family if theres nothing architecturally significant or different enough in design to consider saving.
Please remember that the vast majority of SFHouses have nothing to do with architects. Architects are not required for buildings governed by Part 9 of the BC Building Code. You can design your own house if you want; and tract housing is pumped out by developers/contractors using plans from all over the place, including their own offices. If architects are involved it is typically limited to large scale layouts of neighbourhoods, and simple adaptations of catalogue plans to fit terrain and existing plat patterns.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 4:11 PM
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The monotony of most new houses in Vancouver attests to this. It amazes me how overused some house designs are by the local architects. Its mostly been 'cut and paste' architecture with little or no variation for decades. I guess it will make it easier to redevelop SFH neighborhoods for future multi family if theres nothing architecturally significant or different enough in design to consider saving.
Clearly you've not been outside the boundaries of Vancouver. When it comes to repetitive design, it's no different here than mostly anywhere else in the world.
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 8:36 PM
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I had to repost this comment:

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. We need to create a moratorium on buildings over 5 stories in Vancouver. It's creating overpopulation and causing too much of a green house effect.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 9:28 PM
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We need some realistic renderings on this one. It looks scary, but maybe its just the crudeness of all the images. This is definitely a site for something different.

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I had to repost this comment:
Why did you repost this? I guess for the same reason I'm going to comment on it. Its about as reasonable and fact based as Donald Trump's clumbsy talk. Buildings creating population (over or under) is nonsensical. Buildings creating a greenhouse effect is the same - the poster obviously doesn't know what a greenhouse effect is.

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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 9:31 PM
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Why did you repost this?
Because it's hilarious. Tea party level of stupid right there.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2015, 9:56 PM
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Thanks for posting -
Agreed that it would be nice if we had some realistic renderings of this one from a more obtuse angle than the front "flatiron" view, which provides the least amount of information.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2015, 1:04 PM
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TERRIBLE NEWS: I love this 109-year old heritage building and have been very concerned about it for some time given its ever-worsening condition as a drug addict/social housing ghetto. And it finally happened: A major fire broke out.



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Does anyone know whether a fire of this kind is enough to kill any realistic potential for this building to be restored? It was already in such terrible condition after decades of neglect and abuse. Is this fire the proverbial straw? Or is the damage just enough to create a reason to finally move the occupants out but not too much that it won't be rebuilt? I imagine that in addition to the fire damage (which appears to be extensive but confined to the top floor), there must be considerable water damage on multiple floors. It was the only heritage building left on the 100 West Hastings block that had not been restored and it looked like they were starting to do some restoration on the facade, given the scaffolding and netting. But can this building survive this?

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Old Posted Dec 20, 2015, 4:03 PM
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Maybe it's good news. Maybe now it can be renovated and restored (probably just the facade)
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2015, 8:17 PM
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Thankfully nobody was injured or killed. Imagine if the fire had started on a lower floor.

Fire Battalion Chief Ken Abel said “People on the lower floors should be moving back to their units fairly soon.”

Portland Hotel Society housing director Andy Bond said most residents would likely return Saturday evening.

I can't imagine that there wasn't significant water damage all the way down the building. If so, that can take weeks or months to fix. The walls and ceilings have to be opened up and blowers and dehumidifiers have to be brought in to get everything completely dry before any repairs and patching up is done.

I have been flooded out of my apartment multiple times in the last ten years due to negligent behaviour by my neighbours upstairs. Three times I had to pack up and move out for 1-3 months while repairs were done. I wonder if what Abel and Bond meant to say was that residents could get access to their units soon to retrieve belongings and pets but not necessarily that they could just move back in and resume living there. This may be as good a time as any to completely renovate the building.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2015, 8:52 PM
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How long has this thing been tapped for? And that hoarding on the sidewalk has been there for many years because of parts of the building potentially falling down. Time for change
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 1:26 AM
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When I went by today I noticed the lobby was full of boxes, bags and bins and people hauling stuff out.



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