Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed - Page 62

go_leafs_go02 · #**1221** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:13 PM**

10-lane bridge
Toll bridge
3 km long bridge
HOV lanes (25 km in each direction)
Right over the old tunnel
cycling/pedestrians pathways included.

Express691 · #**1222** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:14 PM**

Global BC:

GMT Replacement will cost $3.5b and will be tolled.
$40m of that will come from Provincial Gov't

WarrenC12 · #**1223** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:22 PM**

So the cost for this is roughly the same as Gateway (in today's dollars)... I would expect a hell of a lot of improvement to the 99 corridor for that kind of money. Any breakdowns as to the bridge vs. other improvement costs?

phesto · #**1224** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:25 PM**

Construction start 2017...completion 2022!

grid_master · #**1225** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So the cost for this is roughly the same as Gateway (in today's dollars)... I would expect a hell of a lot of improvement to the 99 corridor for that kind of money. Any breakdowns as to the bridge vs. other improvement costs?

Nope, the breakdown got blacked out in the capital cost report.
http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/files/2015/12/Capital-Cost-Estimate-Report-Sep-2015.pdf

WarrenC12 · #**1226** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by grid_master

Nope, the breakdown got blacked out in the capital cost report.
http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/files/2015/12/Capital-Cost-Estimate-Report-Sep-2015.pdf

So I guess they are preparing an RFP?

RIP AFB... it will be a nightmare now. Just toll it $1 please.

Edit: Thanks for the link!

grid_master · #**1227** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So I guess they are preparing an RFP?

RIP AFB... it will be a nightmare now. Just toll it $1 please.

Edit: Thanks for the link!

They expect 13% "leakage" to AFB, less than PMB.

Yeah, RFQ by March... but the Minister said early 2017 construction (ie before the election) but that's not what the reports say right now.

The news conference: http://globalnews.ca/news/2404083/george-massey-tunnel-replacement-plans-expected-to-be-released

WarrenC12 · #**1228** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by grid_master

They expect 13% "leakage" to AFB, less than PMB.

Well of course less than the PMB, all of that "leakage" goes to the Patullo.

You only have to look at a map to see how easy it will be to avoid this bridge unless you are going to the Ferries or the new outlet mall. There are no other destinations.

And distance wise, the AFB is actually a closer route to/from the US to everywhere except the west side of Vancouver.

The government also admitted in the press conference that GMT volumes are decreasing.

This just cements the fact that road pricing is the only true way to go, and given we have so many bridges, those are the choke points that need to have a cost attached. This will be an ongoing financial mess that will dwarf the PMB.

CanSpice · #**1229** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:16 PM**

So let me get this straight. Massey Tunnel traffic, through four lanes, is currently sitting at about 80k per day and slowly decreasing. The Port Mann was expected to carry something like 120k per day over ten lanes and is missing that target (currently at 110k per day). The Golden Ears is six lanes and is missing its targets as well.

Why do we need a ten lane bridge again? Why not six? Or eight?

This is going to be a huge boondoggle and waste of money.

Henbo · #**1230** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:21 PM**

The bridge will have a 57m clearance over the river, same as AFB.

Also the towers will both stand at 210m (BC's new tallest?

). For comparison PMB towers stand at 163m

go_leafs_go02 · #**1231** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:25 PM**

full report is here, including a business case and full project definition:

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/files/2015/12/GMT-Project-Definition-Report-Dec-2015.pdf

osirisboy · #**1232** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:31 PM**

Be nice if they lit them up. That's pretty I pressive

Great news. Can't wait to see construction start.

now to sit back and watch the endless debate over 10 lanes versus 8. Lmao

CanSpice · #**1233** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:32 PM**

I really like how the online survey link at masseytunnel.ca is broken. That's pretty indicative of this whole process.

stump · #**1234** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 6:43 PM**

Great news, I'm happy that they are replacing the tunnel which is a terrible bottleneck at the best of times. It even backs up on weekends so this will make a huge difference for all vehicles using the crossing be it tractor trailers, cars or service vehicles and cyclists won't need to use that van anymore.

Henbo · #**1235** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 7:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

So let me get this straight. Massey Tunnel traffic, through four lanes, is currently sitting at about 80k per day and slowly decreasing. The Port Mann was expected to carry something like 120k per day over ten lanes and is missing that target (currently at 110k per day).

Why do we need a ten lane bridge again? Why not six? Or eight?

Maybe part of the reason they chose 10 lanes is not because of the average traffic per day, but the waves of traffic that come. Sure the PMB has 110k per day, but it doesn't experience the spikes in congestion GMT has after a ferry docks. I am not sure if this is a huge factor, but it could be a contributor?

WarrenC12 · #**1236** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 7:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Henbo

Maybe part of the reason they chose 10 lanes is not because of the average traffic per day, but the waves of traffic that come. Sure the PMB has 110k per day, but it doesn't experience the spikes in congestion GMT has after a ferry docks. I am not sure if this is a huge factor, but it could be a contributor?

Ferry traffic is pretty minimal at best. The bottleneck is clearly the road out to the Ferries and Highway 17.

Pinion · #**1237** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

So let me get this straight. Massey Tunnel traffic, through four lanes, is currently sitting at about 80k per day and slowly decreasing. The Port Mann was expected to carry something like 120k per day over ten lanes and is missing that target (currently at 110k per day). The Golden Ears is six lanes and is missing its targets as well.

Why do we need a ten lane bridge again? Why not six? Or eight?

This is going to be a huge boondoggle and waste of money.

It's not like you can slice a billion off the price by reducing two lanes. Might as well make it future proof while we can.

WarrenC12 · #**1238** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 9:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pinion

It's not like you can slice a billion off the price by reducing two lanes. Might as well make it future proof while we can.

No, but probably $500M. The PMB might be break-even right now with 8 lanes... there are no free lunches. There is one taxpayer, and they'll get boned if things are overbuilt.

officedweller · #**1239** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 10:45 PM**

The good stuff is in the Technical Presentation.

Go to the Document Library:
http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/documentlibrary/

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/fil...2-16_Technical-Briefing-Presentation.pdf

The following slides are from the Technical Presentation document.

I think some of you may be very happy about the Steveston Interchange configuration.

Note Bridgeport transit ramp from HOV to a new(?) road under the Oak St. Bridge
- Like the Government Road ramp (but could be elevated).

No Blundell Rd. interchange

Check out the weaving ramps at Steveston interchange!

Note ramps from the bridge approaches to Rice Mill Road (2 ramps?) and River Road.

Roundabouts at Highway 17A.

New ramp from northbound 99 to eastbound SFPR.
Note that they are still building direct access ramps to/from Hwy 17A, even though the main route is now Hwy 17.

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/fil...2-16_Technical-Briefing-Presentation.pdf

Metro-One · #**1240** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 11:11 PM**

Fantastic!

I am really interested to see more detailed schematics of the Steveston Interchange interchange.

I also love the transit connection to skytrain, great idea running dedicated bus lanes under the bridge with transit only ramps accessing the highway at the northern end.

Also 25km of HOV / Bus lanes is great news.

I really like the scope of this project.

Instead of just tolling this bridge 3 dollars per crossing, I wish that they would toll both this bridge and the Alex Fraser (maybe 2 dollars for this crossing and 1 dollar for the Alex Fraser).