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  #761  
Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 8:24 PM
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Not yet. Their most recent plans still have a Sansom Street curb cut, but the community dislikes it. They definitely want all vehicular access to this project to be through Moravian.
Ahh. So they removed the drive isle but still kept the garage/motor court entrance from Sansom? I agree on all vehicular traffic going through Moravian, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I think this project is a huge win for this site.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 8:28 PM
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Ahh. So they removed the drive isle but still kept the garage/motor court entrance from Sansom? I agree on all vehicular traffic going through Moravian, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I think this project is a huge win for this site.
You wouldn't believe all the stuff I've currently got on record between this and the Pearl project across the street. It's been a busy week for me.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 8:40 PM
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I guess that the canopy at the far left of the Sansom Street view is the motor court entrance. It seems sufficiently small and unobtrusive, since I thought looked like a pedestrian entrance. Like Summers and Hammer, I'd prefer all vehicular traffic on Moravian. If semis can reach a loading dock that way, it's a comfortable size for cars. Not a deal breaker, as Summers says, and perhaps a another bargaining chip with respect to the Warwick (although I can't tell whether the motor court entrance is within or past the current Warwick footprint).

     
     
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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9512013,...9n6fn1QVwSqazG03gr8Wg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

this is where the feared curb cut would be


I am not for curb cuts but this is minimal for a structure of this size

Again not advocating for curb cuts but others in the area are worse and some like this a block or so away are not damaging Its sort of not a main street and not an alley
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 8:55 PM
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I am disappointed that SLC hasn't come through with preserving the Warwick and funeral home which they knowingly purchased as historic. SLC should absolutely not be allowed to get a height variance without giving something - and that should be the preservation of all the HISTORIC buildings that they purchased - not just the one property that doesn't fall into their ideal footprint.
Exactly my feelings on the matter except I wouldn't view the preservation as a gift, but a duty.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 9:17 PM
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A very tall residential building proposed for Rittenhouse Square area
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Southern Land Co. has refined its plans for 1911 Walnut St. in Center City and is proposing to construct a $300 million residential tower that would stand between 47 and 51 stories.

In what is its latest and most detailed version of what it wants to build, the Tennessee developer said the project would have 342 apartments, between 64 and 75 condominiums, and 55,000 square feet of retail space that would wrap around Walnut, Sansom and 20th streets. The retail space would be on the structure's first three floors. The tower was designed by Solomon Cordwell Buenz.

It’s an ambitious development on one of Philadelphia’s most prominent squares and going tall was deliberate, the developer said. By comparison, One Liberty Place is 61 stories, Mellon Bank Center is 54 stories and Comcast Center is 58 stories and those three buildings are office towers. The St. James, a residential building on Walnut Street, is 45 stories.

“This is the last greatest development site on the East Coast, certainly in Philadelphia,” said Dustin Downey of Southern Land. “This site was deserving of something iconic and elegant. We wanted something elegant and unique and that’s how we got to the height.”

The developer concedes that this version of its plans could change. It has been meeting with the Center City Residents Association as well as the Preservation Alliance as a way to get input on its plans. Southern Land anticipates having an informal meeting with the planning commission in January and will be moving forward with the approval process from there.
“This is a preliminary plan,” Downey said. “We are going to listen to community feedback. I’m sure this plan will be modified.”

Clara Wineberg, associate principal with Solomon Cordwell Buenz, said the design and scale is “something deserving of the site.”
It attempts to pay as much attention to the residents who will eventually be living there as well as to pedestrians milling about Rittenhouse Square, those who will use the project's retail space as well as those who will view it from the square, she said. It’s a delicate balance that Buenz believes has been captured.

“We wanted the residential areas to shine because it is their home,” Buenz said. “At the same time, the passerby can also engage with it.”

To that end, the part of the structure that is most visible to pedestrians and the street has a portion that is tiered. There are other added dimensions and design elements to ensure that the building is not presented as a static, flat wall fronting Rittenhouse Square.

Residents of 1911 Walnut who peer down onto the park will also have an urban gardenscape atop of a lower structure to view. There is a 57-foot internal right-of-way between 1911 Walnut and Rittenhouse Plaza next door. The design also took into account the building’s L-shape, which gives it exposure along Walnut, Sansom and 20th streets.

“It’s a prominent part of the city and each side is important,” Buenz said.
The Walnut Street side faces the square and has other structures to consider such as a nearby church as well as various curb cuts. Retail will be incorporated along that portion of Walnut and there will be a restaurant with a roof-top deck overlooking the park. The areas facing Sansom and 20th streets got a different treatment and three levels of retail are incorporated on that side.

“You turn the corner and there is a slightly different feel,” she said about moving from Walnut to Sansom.

Though still in its early stages, the project hasn’t been without controversy. There are three historic structures on the parcel and last month, the developer withdrew an application to raze one of them — the Rittenhouse Coffee Shop. Southern Land did this after there was some outcry over the demise of the city's historical structure. Southern Land met with representatives from the Preservation Alliance and the CCRA and decided to protect that building. The developer does plan to move forward with demolition of the Warwick apartment building and Oliver Bair funeral home.

Southern Land is developing 1911 Walnut in a joint venture with an undisclosed domestic institutional investor, which the way it proceeds with all of its projects.
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...ll-residentialbuilding-proposed-for.html
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 9:27 PM
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A very tall residential building proposed for Rittenhouse Square area
I look forward to somebody more talented than me posting a sketch on the diagrams page. The comparison in the article between number of floors doesn't take into account different ceiling heights. This thing is most comparable to the IBX building in overall height.

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We need to make sure the dates and times for the community meetings are published so there can be a sane voice against the preservation zealots and NIMBYs who come out of the woodwork. It would be a shame if this project died or was scaled back because a small but vocal group of people want some derelict buildings to remain intact...

The focus should be on adding density (to create a tax base to pay NIMBY pensions) quality building materials and engaging the street level with retail/restaurants etc - let's not live in the past.

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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 9:33 PM
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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9512013,...9n6fn1QVwSqazG03gr8Wg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

this is where the feared curb cut would be


I am not for curb cuts but this is minimal for a structure of this size

Again not advocating for curb cuts but others in the area are worse and some like this a block or so away are not damaging Its sort of not a main street and not an alley
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9510921,...3J27sh22i8zCETSBUdSrg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I can't exactly tell how much (if any) of the Warwick would be impacted. Clearly the Oliver Bair building is directly in the way. I really do love these facades.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 9:35 PM
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We need to make sure the dates and times for the community meetings are published so there can be a sane voice against the preservation zealots and NIMBYs who come out of the woodwork. It would be a shame if this project died or was scaled back because a small but vocal group of people want some derelict buildings to remain intact...

The focus should be on adding density (to create a tax base to pay NIMBY pensions) quality building materials and engaging the street level with retail/restaurants etc - let's not live in the past.
Nobody's suggesting living in the past. The law's the law and folks are just trying to reach the best compromise. If the buildings TRULY must go, it's better than allowing them to crumble further and keeping two lots.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 9:43 PM
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We need to make sure the dates and times for the community meetings are published so there can be a sane voice against the preservation zealots and NIMBYs who come out of the woodwork. It would be a shame if this project died or was scaled back because a small but vocal group of people want some derelict buildings to remain intact...

The focus should be on adding density (to create a tax base to pay NIMBY pensions) quality building materials and engaging the street level with retail/restaurants etc - let's not live in the past.
I did publish the dates and times. Nobody went.

The project isn't going to die or be scaled back if they're required to preserve the "derelict" buildings.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2015, 10:03 PM
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Samson street facade in the updated renderings is even better. I like the Rittenhouse cafe; I think it can be restored to a nice coffee shop with that historic feel but not sure if keeping Warwick and the funeral home would actually benefit the look and feel of Samson. Looking at them now on street view and they have some nice street level features but anything above 1st floor is nothing special. Overall this is absolutely fantastic. Lets start digging!
     
     
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We need to make sure the dates and times for the community meetings are published so there can be a sane voice against the preservation zealots and NIMBYs who come out of the woodwork. It would be a shame if this project died or was scaled back because a small but vocal group of people want some derelict buildings to remain intact...

The focus should be on adding density (to create a tax base to pay NIMBY pensions) quality building materials and engaging the street level with retail/restaurants etc - let's not live in the past.
If an engaging street level is import to you, why wouldn't you be for at least preserving the facades? The rendering for what Sansom will look like is pretty bad. Not terrible but certainly a big step down from the Warwick and funeral home.

I'm really encouraged though. Overall it looks great and I'm super happy they presented the taller proposal. Not only is taller better for its own implicit reasons but by virtue of the fact that it seems they're not looking to compromise on height makes it seem more likely they'll compromise on the demolishing the historic buildings instead. Win-win!
     
     
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A tall tower
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So is it taller than 600 ft, or is that still the height?
     
     
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Boy, the people with west facing windows in that Rittenhouse Plaza next door must be very very unhappy. Bye bye, sunset views. I'd imagine those people will be the ones fighting this proposal hardest.
     
     
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view from the SE corner of Ritt SQ

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Boy, the people with west facing windows in that Rittenhouse Plaza next door must be very very unhappy. Bye bye, sunset views. I'd imagine those people will be the ones fighting this proposal hardest.
This view(from the SE corner of Ritt SQ) shows how this new tower will add a sense of high drama(PUN intended) and 21st c. reinterpretation of 20th c. modernism. With this tower the square spans 150+ years of architecture and history. The site of 10 Rittenhouse Square could have done something of this caliber but did not.

The wave of building in Philadelphia is something I always hoped for with one caveat. The block in NYC that contains MOMA was once a block of immense over built Beaux Arts mansions of the Gilded Age. In the 1930s when they built the first building for MOMA they had to, of course, tear down some of these structures which were considered monstrosities by that time. Eventually the entire block became a row of minimalist modernist building with no historicism and no applied ornamentation. I believe that the block would have been much much richer if they had incorporated some these "monstrosities" in their development plans. So my point is the buildings along Walnut street and around the square are a very important record of the history of Philadelphia in the post Civil Ware period and into the early 20th c. You have to make room for the present as the city grows and ages but (IMHO) NYC is an example of too much success that like a sunami has(in many cases) erased any record of the past. When you come serendipitously upon a street of quirky picturesque building from the past which can happen often in Philadelphia you will tend to interpret that as charming and see the city as a unique place with it's own character.
     
     
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Samson street facade in the updated renderings is even better. I like the Rittenhouse cafe; I think it can be restored to a nice coffee shop with that historic feel but not sure if keeping Warwick and the funeral home would actually benefit the look and feel of Samson. Looking at them now on street view and they have some nice street level features but anything above 1st floor is nothing special. Overall this is absolutely fantastic. Lets start digging!
Agreed!
     
     
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The wave of building in Philadelphia is something I always hoped for with one caveat. The block in NYC that contains MOMA was once a block of immense over built Beaux Arts mansions of the Gilded Age. In the 1930s when they built the first building for MOMA they had to, of course, tear down some of these structures which were considered monstrosities by that time. Eventually the entire block became a row of minimalist modernist building with no historicism and no applied ornamentation. I believe that the block would have been much much richer if they had incorporated some these "monstrosities" in their development plans. So my point is the buildings along Walnut street and around the square are a very important record of the history of Philadelphia in the post Civil Ware period and into the early 20th c. You have to make room for the present as the city grows and ages but (IMHO) NYC is an example of too much success that like a sunami has(in many cases) erased any record of the past. When you come serendipitously upon a street of quirky picturesque building from the past which can happen often in Philadelphia you will tend to interpret that as charming and see the city as a unique place with it's own character.
Very well said. Save all three of the historic buildings. It makes us unique. Do not erase the past.
     
     
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Very well said. Save all three of the historic buildings. It makes us unique. Do not erase the past.
Disagree! The there is little to nothing unique about the Warwick building.
     
     
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