DENVER | Main Development Thread #6 - Page 333

DownhomeDenver · #**6641** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by bcp

You might have the wrong thread...

Im just glad it's not easy like Sunday morning for the love of christ...

EngiNerd · #**6642** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by rds70

New Block 162 renderings:

It looks like the cantilever over the Sage Building is gone:

Really bummed they took out the cantilever, that was my favorite feature of this design. At the same time I'm also not all that surprised, it probably happened after they got the structural engineer on board....those damn structural engineers...

DenverInfill · #**6643** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 4:14 PM**

This project will provide significant density for the block and will really fill a huge gap in the urban fabric and nicely connect the CC with the Mall, particularly along California.

With light rail along California, with the streetscape improvements the city made a few years ago giving California a "14th Street" feel, and with the dual-brand hotel going in at 15th and California, this will really make a huge difference in the pedestrian environment between the CC and the Mall. The clean minimalist glass curtain wall on the office tower will add a nice splash of 21st C. architecture into a part of downtown that could really use it.

Stonemans_rowJ · #**6644** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by DenverInfill

This project will provide significant density for the block and will really fill a huge gap in the urban fabric and nicely connect the CC with the Mall, particularly along California.

With light rail along California, with the streetscape improvements the city made a few years ago giving California a "14th Street" feel, and with the dual-brand hotel going in at 15th and California, this will really make a huge difference in the pedestrian environment between the CC and the Mall. The clean minimalist glass curtain wall on the office tower will add a nice splash of 21st C. architecture into a part of downtown that could really use it.

15th would really benefit from a diet like 14th. The bike lane there really is only for seasoned city cyclists.

lumos · #**6645** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by EngiNerd

Really bummed they took out the cantilever, that was my favorite feature of this design. At the same time I'm also not all that surprised, it probably happened after they got the structural engineer on board....those damn structural engineers...

Still, what we are left with is a design that has a calmness that is strangely absent from most downtown developments. Clean edges, consistency of theme, soaring curtain walls that cannot stop in time for the roofline. All in one ugly prime location parking lot.

wong21fr · #**6646** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by EngiNerd

Really bummed they took out the cantilever, that was my favorite feature of this design. At the same time I'm also not all that surprised, it probably happened after they got the structural engineer on board....those damn structural engineers...

The engineer behind this (likely) is truly the antichrist for taking out the cantilever.

I wonder how the hotel economics changes with the elimination of so much meeting space? I don't see any other changes to the hotel portion to suggest that the lost space is being made up elsewhere.

PLANSIT · #**6647** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by DenverPoke

So what are we looking at height wise, probably 500' for the office and 450' for the hotel? Office looks just slightly taller than Spire from the aerial.

I've been told the office building, top of curtain wall is ~480'.

enjo13 · #**6648** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 8:48 PM**

I'd gladly trade the cantilever for some freaking retail on Welton.

EngiNerd · #**6649** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by lumos

Still, what we are left with is a design that has a calmness that is strangely absent from most downtown developments. Clean edges, consistency of theme, soaring curtain walls that cannot stop in time for the roofline. All in one ugly prime location parking lot.

Not saying I don't like the design, because I like this one, very well done filler building in my opinion...just bummed (but not surprised) they eliminated that cool feature.

Will be also interesting how they incorporate the McClintock building into the Apartment tower portion, that has the makings of being something really different for Downtown Denver.

TakeFive · #**6650** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 9:38 PM**

It's All Good for Construction
but what a day.

Oil settles at lowest levels since early 2009
By Myra P. Saefong and Carla Mozee, MarketWatch Published: Dec 7

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January West Texas Intermediate crude dropped $2.32, or 5.8%, to settle at $37.65 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. That was the largest one-day percentage loss since September.

WTI and Brent prices, which each lost about 4.2% last week, haven’t settled at levels this low since February 2009, based on the most-active contracts.

Oil’s drop below $38 may cause a world of hurt for U.S. shale
By Myra P. Saefong, MarketWatch Published: Dec 7, 2015

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OPEC production could force U.S. shale-oil producers to buckle.

It's great for consumers which make up about two thirds of the economy.

Last week the price of iron ore dropped below $40 a tonne in Singapore so the cost of steel should continue it's downward path.

In theory at least
With the costs of most "inputs" continuing to drop, a tighter labor market could easily afford to raise pay scales with neutral impact on their overall cost structure. For builders a lower cost of many material inputs could be meaningful.

"Charlie, order the steel for our next building. It's time to build."

The Dirt · #**6651** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 9:40 PM**

Ryan, is that a luffing jib I see at the Skyhouse structured parking site?

EngiNerd · #**6652** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Dirt

Ryan, is that a luffing jib I see at the Skyhouse structured parking site?

It sure is!

https://m.oxblue.com/open/SkyHouseApartments

RyanD · #**6653** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 10:54 PM**

That's a preeettttty one. I saw them working on it yesterday.

The Dirt · #**6654** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 11:04 PM**

When's the last time we had one of those in Denver?

CastleScott · #**6655** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 11:13 PM**

[QUOTERyan, is that a luffing jib I see at the Skyhouse structured parking site][/QUOTE]

A contractor who built the DiVita HQ used one a few years ago and a similar two were used to build the Wells Fargo cash register building back in 1981-83..

Scott

RyanD · #**6656** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 11:17 PM**

DaVita:

Wells Fargo:

CastleScott · #**6657** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 11:19 PM**

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I've been told the office building, top of curtain wall is ~480'.

Yup it sure looks like 480, remember there is a 32 floor office HQ for Northwestern Mutual being built in Milwaukee that's going to be 550 ft..

Scottk · #**6658** Posted **Dec 8, 2015, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by EngiNerd

It sure is!

https://m.oxblue.com/open/SkyHouseApartments

Did we ever decide if they were planning on putting another tower on top of the garage?

comoneymaker · #**6659** Posted **Dec 8, 2015, 6:34 AM**

I remember an announcement just after construction started for not one additional tower but two. One on the garage and one on a lot adjacent. Or have I lost my marbles ???

lumos · #**6660** Posted **Dec 8, 2015, 10:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by comoneymaker

I remember an announcement just after construction started for not one additional tower but two. One on the garage and one on a lot adjacent. Or have I lost my marbles ???

We did discuss it but I was not aware of any decision. In my inexperienced view they certainly sunk very deep caisson piles for a car park, although I was not expecting them to have any below grade parking so that might be the explanation.