YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 417

trofirhen · #**8321** Posted **Dec 5, 2015, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Zero chance of YVR-DEL on rouge,Only the 787 and 777 can make the trip and AC is not putting those aircraft into rouge.

YYZ-DEL is now running and AC is learning lots about the specifics of operating the flight....

Network connectivity is another lesson that AC will have to learn. Is the YYZ-DEL flight a major contributor to network profitability?

I suspect that AC will enter into 12-18 month learning period for nonstops to India before going for a second city of multiple nonstop flights.

Might that 'second city' be YVR? .................

Anyway, that high number of wheelchairs says a lot. It says that there are a high number of challenged - may I say aged people taking this route.
** oooooops, someone mentioned it first !!- - -
This not a high yield market, it's a family reunion oriented market (although I am sure many Frequent Flyer types would use it,too).
It's going to be a number of years before a nonstop YVR-DEL.

Johnny Aussie · #**8322** Posted **Dec 6, 2015, 8:01 AM**

Whether none or all of these happen, here is the summary in order of application date:

Hainan Airlines
Notice of application: Jun 2015
Intended start date: Jun 2016
Route: TSN-YVR
Frequency: 5 weekly
Equipment: 332
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/45/45444.html

Xiamen Airlines
Notice of application: Oct 2015
Intended start date: Jul 2016
Route: XMN-YVR
Frequency: 4 weekly
Equipment: 788
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/48/48218.html

Tianjin Airlines
Notice of application: Nov 2015
Intended start date: Jun 2016
Route: CKG-TSN-YVR
Frequency: 4 weekly
Equipment: 332
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/48/48824.html

Beijing Capital Airlines
Notice of application: Nov 2015
Intended start date: Nov 2016
Route: HGH-TAO-YVR
Frequency: 3 weekly
Equipment: 332
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/48/48996.html

Johnny Aussie · #**8323** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 2:29 AM**

The latest addition is a second daily rouge flight to LAS.

A new daily morning flight on a 763 will operate next summer.

That's a crazy amount of capacity being added. I never figured summer travel to LAS would warrant such a large amount of seats.

So a daily 319 and a daily 763 on the YVR-LAS route.

This 763 will rotate through with the Hawaii flights next summer.

trofirhen · #**8324** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The latest addition is a second daily rouge flight to LAS.

A new daily morning flight on a 763 will operate next summer.

That's a crazy amount of capacity being added. I never figured summer travel to LAS would warrant such a large amount of seats.

So a daily 319 and a daily 763 on the YVR-LAS route.

This 763 will rotate through with the Hawaii flights next summer.

Great news, but I wonder if the low-value loonie might somewhat put the brakes on this route

Cage · #**8325** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The latest addition is a second daily rouge flight to LAS.

A new daily morning flight on a 763 will operate next summer.

That's a crazy amount of capacity being added. I never figured summer travel to LAS would warrant such a large amount of seats.

So a daily 319 and a daily 763 on the YVR-LAS route.

This 763 will rotate through with the Hawaii flights next summer.

The 319 connects well to Asia bank. The 763 uses up surplus aircraft downtime.

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that AC is actively trying to defend Yvr tooth and nail against WS. AC might even be trying to make YVR into a proper hub, dare I say even a mini global hub.

Cage · #**8326** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Great news, but I wonder if the low-value loonie might somewhat put the brakes on this route

Las Vegas does a crazy amount of conventions during the summertime. Plus the hotels/casinos are adjusting well to the low CAD. Contrast LAS with Disneyland, the mouse is doing another annual price increase that will hit Canadians especially hard. Hotels in the area are also increasing rates.

Johnny Aussie · #**8327** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

The 319 connects well to Asia bank. The 763 uses up surplus aircraft downtime.

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that AC is actively trying to defend Yvr tooth and nail against WS. AC might even be trying to make YVR into a proper hub, dare I say even a mini global hub.

I was going to say AC has been giving a lot of love to YVR lately. And I know they are still not done with YVR yet.

nname · #**8328** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 3:41 AM**

Not sure if this has posted before, but China Eastern is planning to maintain 2x daily YVR-PVG year-round starting next summer. Eventually all flights, excluding the 3x weekly continuing to KMG, will be operated by 77W.

Johnny Aussie · #**8329** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 4:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Not sure if this has posted before, but China Eastern is planning to maintain 2x daily YVR-PVG year-round starting next summer. Eventually all flights, excluding the 3x weekly continuing to KMG, will be operated by 77W.

Nope. Hadn't seen or heard that. That will be yet another large boost in seats to China.

MU did try double daily in the winter a few years ago, but it didn't last as I think it was too much too soon. However, the market might be ready for that again. YVR-China increases just don't seem to be stopping at all... It's just one after the other.

trofirhen · #**8330** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 6:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

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I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that AC is actively trying to defend Yvr tooth and nail against WS. AC might even be trying to make YVR into a proper hub, dare I say even a mini global hub.

About time, too!! And a minor miracle, given the historical AC approach to YVR.

casper · #**8331** Posted **Dec 7, 2015, 4:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

About time, too!! And a minor miracle, given the historical AC approach to YVR.

Amazing. WestJet gets a couple of 767 and AC starts to notice.

Lets hope the 767 experiment goes well and they end up ordering in the 787 aircraft.

trofirhen · #**8332** Posted **Dec 8, 2015, 2:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Amazing. WestJet gets a couple of 767 and AC starts to notice.

Lets hope the 767 experiment goes well and they end up ordering in the 787 aircraft.

How many 787 are westjet ordering? They're giving AC such competition domestically that AC is oblidged to find more overseas routes, and suddely YVR has a real purpose as a hub.
Not only the major Canadian hub for China and East Asia, but the Pacific, and Oceania.

The attached is very old (2009) excuse me, but has a forsightful relevancy as to what is developing now. Good for a re-read on the Westjet / Air Canada situation, and perhaps why AC seem to be paying more attention to YVR these days.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/westjets-plan-to-crush-air-canada/

casper · #**8333** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

How many 787 are westjet ordering? They're giving AC such competition domestically that AC is oblidged to find more overseas routes, and suddely YVR has a real purpose as a hub.
Not only the major Canadian hub for China and East Asia, but the Pacific, and Oceania.

The attached is very old (2009) excuse me, but has a forsightful relevancy as to what is developing now. Good for a re-read on the Westjet / Air Canada situation, and perhaps why AC seem to be paying more attention to YVR these days.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/westjets-plan-to-crush-air-canada/

No idea if this is driven by WestJet or just AC sees an opportunity and is taking advantage of it. All these Chinese airlines obviously see an opportunity across the pacific.

That said, competition is good. It WestJet encroaches on Air Canada traditional business that is good for us as consumers.

Johnny Aussie · #**8334** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:18 AM**

First flight AM696 STA is 22:15 and then returns to MEX as AM697 at 23:15.

Bienvenidos Aeromexico!

deasine · #**8335** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 6:05 PM**

So just to clarify, Hainan and Tinajin Airlines will operate TSN-YVR. I know they are the same company, but clearly the one carrier per route policy is not as clear cut as it is (although then again it wasn't clear cut given exceptions are made for Air China in PVG).

Johnny Aussie · #**8336** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

So just to clarify, Hainan and Tinajin Airlines will operate TSN-YVR. I know they are the same company, but clearly the one carrier per route policy is not as clear cut as it is (although then again it wasn't clear cut given exceptions are made for Air China in PVG).

Depending on the outcome of their CAAC applications... who knows if it will be one, neither or both... just have to wait and see.

I have a hunch that Hainan first applied, but then perhaps withdrew the application only to have Tianjin then apply. You are correct that the one airline one route rule is not 100% clear or set in stone. Seems like Air China the king of CAAC has more power to block than the rest. That's just my perception from what I have seen, heard, read etc....

Johnny Aussie · #**8337** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 11:08 AM**

The first of the seasonal QF 744s is on its way from SYD.

QF75 estimated to arrive early at 1:15pm.

trofirhen · #**8338** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The first of the seasonal QF 744s is on its way from SYD.

QF75 estimated to arrive early at 1:15pm.

Do you think they'll ever go year-round?

Johnny Aussie · #**8339** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 9:38 PM**

^^

Definitely... as soon as they get their 787-9s YVR is tipped to be one of the first routes to be launched year-round. 744 is just too big for the thinner months.

And the roo is back!

QF75 just touched down on 08R.... just listening on ATC live and watching on FR24.

Klazu · #**8340** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

QF75 just touched down on 08R.... just listening on ATC live and watching on FR24.

Man, you have way too much time!

I noticed Qantas flying a 747 also to SCL (Santiago). I wonder if the plane type is fitting for that market either? It is their only South American connection, so perhaps it serves a purpose, although LAN (also part of One World) does fly (I believe) a 787 to Sydney. Not sure if all those routes are daily.

Those are some long routes over ocean.