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Old Posted Dec 5, 2015, 6:17 PM
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We still have tons of brownfield and other underutilized land available near Downtown, particularly on the river flats (which is no coincidence). We could still be building up more or less as much as we could possibly want even if the Lower Hill and other elevated areas were still historic low-rise districts.
I wasn't referring to just the Lower Hill. I was also referring to the destruction of a host of other neighborhoods, including The Ward (where the North Shore is today), Schweitzer Lock, Old Allegheny City, and much of the residential fabric of the Strip District and Uptown. Hell, even the destruction of the old Irish neighborhood at the Point to make Gateway Center and Point State Park would qualify.

If we had it to do over again, I would *not* suggest demolishing any of them. But that these neighborhoods are to a significant extent now a blank canvas on which we can build any number of things is in a way an asset. As we've talked about before, even if we have bad new development here which isn't the proper density, as long as it's not condos or townhouses, it can always be increased in density at a later time.

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Gentrification has occurred in similarly-located neighborhoods with a similar ethnic composition in other eastern cities (this is very common in DC, for example).
DC isn't a great example, because it is (or was, rather) such a heavily black city that gentrification pressures meant some neighborhoods had to change. In contrast, Pittsburgh had plenty of working-class white neighborhoods for gentrifiers to turn to instead.

By way of a local example, consider the North Side. Portions of it, like the Mexican War Streets and Allegheny West, have been gentrifying since the 1970s when they were colonized by hippies looking to restore the old houses. The process is still not done - if you travel a few blocks from any of the gentrified areas, you find areas which are still mostly black and poor. In contrast, South Side and Lawrenceville have both transitioned to a similar price point (with arguably worse housing stock) over a period of less than 20 years.

Of course, you could then throw back East Liberty as a counter example. But East Liberty really isn't classic gentrification. There was nothing organic about the process - it was a top down redevelopment push.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2015, 10:24 PM
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I wasn't referring to just the Lower Hill. I was also referring to the destruction of a host of other neighborhoods, including The Ward (where the North Shore is today), Schweitzer Lock, Old Allegheny City, and much of the residential fabric of the Strip District and Uptown. Hell, even the destruction of the old Irish neighborhood at the Point to make Gateway Center and Point State Park would qualify
So if I could turn back to any given point, I think I would go back to the period between WWI and WWII where industrial development had already created a lot of future brownfields and other underutilized property, but the Moses plan of highways and post-WWII "urban redevelopment" had not yet plowed through.

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DC isn't a great example, because it is (or was, rather) such a heavily black city that gentrification pressures meant some neighborhoods had to change. In contrast, Pittsburgh had plenty of working-class white neighborhoods for gentrifiers to turn to instead.
How about Alphabet City/Losaisda in NYC? The point of all these examples is that gentrification easily spreads into non-white neighborhoods provided they are immediately adjacent to desirable neighborhoods, and that process can keep rolling step by step.

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By way of a local example, consider the North Side. Portions of it, like the Mexican War Streets and Allegheny West, have been gentrifying since the 1970s when they were colonized by hippies looking to restore the old houses. The process is still not done - if you travel a few blocks from any of the gentrified areas, you find areas which are still mostly black and poor. In contrast, South Side and Lawrenceville have both transitioned to a similar price point (with arguably worse housing stock) over a period of less than 20 years.
The problem is none of these areas is really comparable in terms of location to the Lower Hill/Uptown. Particularly if you imagine not just no Civic Arena development but also no Crosstown, you would have had an area with really no barrier at all between it and Downtown.

Edit: the 1939 map available here basically illustrates the points I am trying to make in this post:

http://peoplemaps.esri.com/pittsburgh-maps/

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I try not to read Post-Gazette comments but I found one that was too good to pass up. This lady wrote TWELVE paragraphs about the quality of Squirrel Hill and this one portion had me laughing:

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"As a former resident of Squirrel Hill for well over a decade, I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that it is counter productive to stay in the area. The area has a substantial transient student population, it has a high crime rate which includes car thefts and numerous apartment break ins, and the homes in the area belong to those who have the ability to exit the city during the winter and summer making the area ripe for unreported burglars, pan handlers, drug addicts and assorted foreigners of dubious origins. Squirrel Hill no longer has the lure of academic excitement, the lure of the carriage trade. The only thing the Murray Avenue and Forbes Avenue business district lures is bank robbers, armed robbers, car thieves and Sushi lovers."
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2...gainst-his-landlord/stories/201512050064
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I try not to read Post-Gazette comments but I found one that was too good to pass up. This lady wrote TWELVE paragraphs about the quality of Squirrel Hill and this one portion had me laughing:



http://www.post-gazette.com/local/east/2...gainst-his-landlord/stories/201512050064
Is she serious?

"I can tell you with a high degree of certainty," yeah, ya lost me right there, lady.

Ya know? St. Davids [a Philadelphia Main Line suburb, if anyone doesn't know] is really going down hill as well. To think I was there earlier today in my 2013 Buick! Oy vey!!
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Is she serious?

"I can tell you with a high degree of certainty," yeah, ya lost me right there, lady.

Ya know? St. Davids [a Philadelphia Main Line suburb, if anyone doesn't know] is really going down hill as well. To think I was there earlier today in my 2013 Buick! Oy vey!!
Eww, a domestic car? There should be zoning against that type of thing. What are you, middle management?
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Give her credit--is there anything worse than a bank robber hopped up on nigiri?
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Give her credit--is there anything worse than a bank robber hopped up on nigiri?
"Assorted foreigners of dubious origins" lured by the carriage trade stop off for some shrimp tempura rolls before robbing the PNC bank. This is the reality of Squirrel Hill.
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Photo I took of Squirrel Hill this morning:

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An upscale lounge-style bowling alley is still a strong possibility for the former Macy's:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/9552773-74/bowling-alleys-alley#axzz3tS3MvOQD

This is another case where talking to various people has convinced me this could be a valued amenity Downtown.
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Cool article about Radiant Hall, an artists' collective that supplies affordable studio space. They started in Lawrenceville but are opening new locations in Homewood, the Hill, and the North Side:

http://triblive.com/aande/moreaande/9382604-74/hall-radiant-studio#axzz3tS3MvOQD

The Homewood location is in the large old factory next to the Wilkinsburg busway station. I have often imagined that would make for great loft conversions, but artist studios is cool too:

http://www.radianthall.com/locations#/susquehanna/

In fact that property has been getting a makeover and is attracting lots of cool tenants:

http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/7800-susquehanna-homewood-model-minority-empowerment/

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...geway-capital-rehab-of-homewood-hub.html






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An upscale lounge-style bowling alley is still a strong possibility for the former Macy's:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/9552773-74/bowling-alleys-alley#axzz3tS3MvOQD

This is another case where talking to various people has convinced me this could be a valued amenity Downtown.
Cleveland has one at the intersection of Euclid and 4th Ave. The bowling alley is in a victorian storefront similar to the former Macy's. You can see the activity from the street.
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Cleveland has one at the intersection of Euclid and 4th Ave. The bowling alley is in a victorian storefront similar to the former Macy's. You can see the activity from the street.
That could be cool, and could specifically enliven that section of Downtown at night (too bad we are wiping out the historic commercial buildings on Forbes since that could have formed a corridor all the way down to Market Square).

I think we know all this already, but this is a nice quick summary of the overall plan from the linked article:

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A 155-room hotel is planned on the fifth and six floors of the Macy's building, with 311 upscale apartments above that. About 600 parking spaces are planned for the third and fourth floors. Retailers will occupy the first two floors.
All that could light up pretty nicely in the evening.
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I went to the Handmade Arcade yesterday and ended up briefly talking with an employee of one of the companies. I thought a few of the things she told me would be relevant here. The company she works for is in Lawrencville and she has lived in Pittsburgh only 2 months. She bought a house in Garfield already. I asked where she moved from and she told me Brooklyn so I asked why and no surprise that the answer was money and cost of living as well as Pittsburgh's reputation as a livable city. The price of rentals in Brooklyn has been exploding and so of course a mortgage payment for a house in Garfield is equivalent or less than a rent payment for an apartment in Brooklyn. I asked how she likes it so far and she says she does like it....it has a good music scene.... I asked not too small for her and she said nope, ....does she care about the smaller level of transit here.....nope...."I have a car". If your curious, she was probably late 30's, and a funky chick...all tatted up. She did say one other thing interesting to me: "There's more of us coming"
Actually they've been coming but the exodus(or influx from our perspective) just really might be starting to explode. I read an article a few months ago about the Brooklynites moving here but didn't feel like posting it back then. I guess I will now: http://brooklynbased.com/blog/2015/04/24/move-pittsburgh/

Pittsburgh has been doing good for a while but when you combine the info from the report someone posted a few months ago about how awesome tech is doing in Pittsburgh("Pittsburgh is not chasing tech, tech is chasing Pittsburgh") along with the more recent report about Pittsburgh leading the country in growth of young adults with college degrees, it's easy to get the feeling that Pittsburgh is about to become an even more awesome and vibrant city.
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Over 50 million people live in the BosWash corridor. That's over 20 times the population of the Pittsburgh MSA. And that is why only a tiny fraction more people considering Pittsburgh over BosWash (which could be people living in BosWash already, but also people living here who are weighing moving out or staying, or people in other places who could move either way) may not even be noticeable on their end, but could have profound implications on our end.
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An upscale lounge-style bowling alley is still a strong possibility for the former Macy's:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/9552773-74/bowling-alleys-alley#axzz3tS3MvOQD

This is another case where talking to various people has convinced me this could be a valued amenity Downtown.
If it's like the one in Philly, it'll likely be a hit if there's enough hip millennials (target customer) to support it.
http://www.bowlluckystrike.com/locations/philadelphia/
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Cool article about Radiant Hall, an artists' collective that supplies affordable studio space. They started in Lawrenceville but are opening new locations in Homewood, the Hill, and the North Side:

http://triblive.com/aande/moreaande/9382604-74/hall-radiant-studio#axzz3tS3MvOQD

The Homewood location is in the large old factory next to the Wilkinsburg busway station. I have often imagined that would make for great loft conversions, but artist studios is cool too:

http://www.radianthall.com/locations#/susquehanna/

In fact that property has been getting a makeover and is attracting lots of cool tenants:

http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-design/7800-susquehanna-homewood-model-minority-empowerment/

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...geway-capital-rehab-of-homewood-hub.html





That interior looks awesome. Any building like that in the greater east end area will eventually be art-ified either for hip work space or residences and that's a good thing IMO.
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Photo I took of Squirrel Hill this morning:

I didn't know the Manor Theatre was currently playing Los M Milocos.
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A friend of a friend posted this on their Facebook profile and i'm wondering if anyone knows where this is in the city? I feel like there's exciting boat parties that i'm not being invited to and i'm not happy about it.

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A friend of a friend posted this on their Facebook profile and i'm wondering if anyone knows where this is in the city? I feel like there's exciting boat parties that i'm not being invited to and i'm not happy about it.
Oh I know exactly where that is. In fact I was there that night. But sadly I was instructed not to tell you. Sorry Austin.
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Oh I know exactly where that is. In fact I was there that night. But sadly I was instructed not to tell you. Sorry Austin.
Hahaha, I knew it.
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