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Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 3:21 PM
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produce terminal on google earth - probably the longest building in western pennsylvania
There is some sort of warehouse on Ohio River Blvd in Ambridge that is longer.
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Anyone else notice this building being built in Uptown?

It's pretty far down in the weeds, but I'm scratching my head regarding it. First, it's clearly not part of the Womanspace complex next door. Second, whoever is doing it demolished what looked like a salvageable Victorian in the last year to build it.

More than anything, I'm just shocked that Uptown is at the point where demolition and new construction of market-rate housing is warranted. The owner is a guy from Monroeville who owns other property in the city, so it's not even a case where someone is building their dream house in Pittsburgh and riding it out until the market can bear it.
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Anyone else notice this building being built in Uptown?

It's pretty far down in the weeds, but I'm scratching my head regarding it. First, it's clearly not part of the Womanspace complex next door. Second, whoever is doing it demolished what looked like a salvageable Victorian in the last year to build it.

More than anything, I'm just shocked that Uptown is at the point where demolition and new construction of market-rate housing is warranted. The owner is a guy from Monroeville who owns other property in the city, so it's not even a case where someone is building their dream house in Pittsburgh and riding it out until the market can bear it.
I noticed this small condo project for the first time a couple weeks while driving past. I don't think it's ever been discussed here.
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I noticed this small condo project for the first time a couple weeks while driving past. I don't think it's ever been discussed here.
Is it a condo building? I don't think the electric boxes are up yet, and the design looks like it could either be a sizable single-family house or a three unit.

The owners also demolished a house in the alley which looked pretty habitable. This just sticks in my craw more than it would even in South Side or Lawrenceville, because there's plenty of vacant lots to go around in Uptown, and it's not even like they're increasing the structural density. Plus they decided to use the mini-setback of the Womanspace annex rather than the old zero setback for placement of the house. Oh, and of course it's ugly as sin, but I don't expect anything great from infill housing in Pittsburgh unless there are design guidelines mandating it.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 4:35 PM
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Also, the last planning commission of the year is online. Not much of note:

1. Highmark is restoring the old Horne's building cornice and replacing it with one which looks identical but is made from modern materials.

2. There is a change to zoning, which allows for bed and breakfasts to be built now in PO (Parks and Open Space) zones. Given most of these are owned by the city or cemeteries, I'm not sure what the real effect of this is, but presumably someone must be pushing this.

3. Minor changes to an apartment building on Wightman in Squirrel Hill.
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Is it a condo building? I don't think the electric boxes are up yet, and the design looks like it could either be a sizable single-family house or a three unit.
There is a small realty sign in front of the building that says "condominium".
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Not much of note
I guess no news is good news when it comes to the AC Hotel and Park7 projects.
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I guess no news is good news when it comes to the AC Hotel and Park7 projects.
You mean because they were not required to modify their initial plans in any way yet?
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You mean because they were not required to modify their initial plans in any way yet?
Yes, exactly.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:39 PM
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I could not agree more. Uptown has lost so much of it's incredibly attractive and usually well preserved brick victorian row-house architecture over the last twenty years, it really is at a tipping point where much more destruction and demo/loss of what remains will take it to the point of no return in terms of retaining that 19th century character.

I used to work on the downtown/uptown border and watched in horror as the neighborhood was slowly but steadily decimated. In the 1980's the neighborhood was still almost completely intact.

Let's not forget that uptown was the neighborhood adjacent to the lower hill that was "saved" during the clearance of the lower hill. It's apparent to me that even if the lower hill had been saved and not demolished in the 1960's it would have disappeared piece by piece by over the subsequent fifty years. Look at the 10-15 block area above Crawford that was not cleared at that time and it is also almost entirely gone.
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Is it a condo building? I don't think the electric boxes are up yet, and the design looks like it could either be a sizable single-family house or a three unit.

The owners also demolished a house in the alley which looked pretty habitable. This just sticks in my craw more than it would even in South Side or Lawrenceville, because there's plenty of vacant lots to go around in Uptown, and it's not even like they're increasing the structural density. Plus they decided to use the mini-setback of the Womanspace annex rather than the old zero setback for placement of the house. Oh, and of course it's ugly as sin, but I don't expect anything great from infill housing in Pittsburgh unless there are design guidelines mandating it.
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It's apparent to me that even if the lower hill had been saved and not demolished in the 1960's it would have disappeared piece by piece by over the subsequent fifty years.
The problem is you have to control for the hypothetical effects of the Lower Hill still being there on surrounding neighborhoods. There is no way to know for sure, but similar neighborhoods in other cities proved popular places for reinvestment in recent years, and it is possible the interest shown in neighborhoods like Lawrenceville and the South Side would have been echoed in that whole area.
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As much as I hate how the 19th century fabric of all of our downtown-adjacent neighborhoods was destroyed, it might actually be a plus in the longer run.

The reason I say this is because although having walkable rowhouse neighborhoods right next to Downtown would be great from a standpoint of urban cohesiveness, from the standpoint of densifying the city further, past a second point it would 🞵🞵🞵🞵. The neighborhoods would have become colonized by urban pioneers, who would within a few decades become middle-aged NIMBYs. It would become too expensive to buy out homeowners to build apartments, and they would use the zoning code to ensure that nothing "too dense" got built regardless. Basically, see what's happened to the North Side writ large.

Instead, we have a really nice, dense downtown, and very intact, second-ring urban neighborhoods, which were divided by what up until recently was a ring of non-residential uses and blight. Building up the density of these neighborhoods until it eventually surpasses the old rowhouse neighborhoods which are slightly further out thus makes a certain kind of sense.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 9:32 PM
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The problem is you have to control for the hypothetical effects of the Lower Hill still being there on surrounding neighborhoods. There is no way to know for sure, but similar neighborhoods in other cities proved popular places for reinvestment in recent years, and it is possible the interest shown in neighborhoods like Lawrenceville and the South Side would have been echoed in that whole area.
Given the Lower Hill was at the time a black neighborhood (albeit not as black as a bit further up the Hill) historical dynamics suggest it would be a bit less likely to gentrify than other places, no matter how convenient.

I think it's a given though that Old Allegheny City would have gentrified if it hadn't been obliterated.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 10:05 PM
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The reason I say this is because although having walkable rowhouse neighborhoods right next to Downtown would be great from a standpoint of urban cohesiveness, from the standpoint of densifying the city further, past a second point it would 🞵🞵🞵🞵.
We still have tons of brownfield and other underutilized land available near Downtown, particularly on the river flats (which is no coincidence). We could still be building up more or less as much as we could possibly want even if the Lower Hill and other elevated areas were still historic low-rise districts.
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Given the Lower Hill was at the time a black neighborhood (albeit not as black as a bit further up the Hill) historical dynamics suggest it would be a bit less likely to gentrify than other places, no matter how convenient.
Gentrification has occurred in similarly-located neighborhoods with a similar ethnic composition in other eastern cities (this is very common in DC, for example).
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Updates on the Produce Terminal. Housing has been reduced in favor of more office and retail space, including an "anchor that will focus on food"

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/dev...rk-produce-terminal/stories/201512040176
Glad to hear this. Whenever a historic and interesting building is converted to residential it is sort of cut off from the public. For example,the old H.J. Heinz factory into the Lofts. Which is great and everything, but unless you live there it's harder appreciate it.
Now that the strip is more and more turning into a salt lick for tourists and "the place to be" Making the produce terminal primarily into residential would have been a mistake. Now with all the new development and other housing it will only serve to enhance a more public and open square for people traffic.
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A short video of Peduto speaking at the groundbreaking ceremony for The Foundry at 41st.
https://vimeo.com/147657216
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I just went to the abandoned St Peter and Paul Catholic Church in East Liberty/Larimer to take photos inside but it's all boarded up now and the school behind it. They've started some restoration on the steeples, and cut all the vegetation on the property and cleaned it up a bit. Maybe they are finally restoring it. I sure hope so, especially with all that huge new development going on across the street.



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