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Old Posted Nov 19, 2015, 5:14 PM
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Moot point now, I suppose, but thought this article envisioning a 10-acre public space underneath Toronto's Gardiner Expressway was of interest:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toro...h-paths-cultural-spaces/article27280670/

Of course, this doesn't fit the current narrative around the viaduct removal...
That is truly something the City of Toronto is doing for the residents, and not just to satisfy their own whims and fancies. It costs only 25mil for such a long stretch of recreation space and trail. What's more, the entire project is paid for by private donation, so the city is not financially on the hook. Who wouldn't support that?
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2015, 2:15 AM
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The park is plan B. The City would love to get rid of the expressway. I don't know why though, this beauty adds so much to the urban fabric of the city. Go on Google street view and see all the neat things that have developed underneath it.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2015, 2:26 AM
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The park is plan B. The City would love to get rid of the expressway. I don't know why though, this beauty adds so much to the urban fabric of the city. Go on Google street view and see all the neat things that have developed underneath it.
I have been under the Gardiner Expressway and I can assure you that whatever has been developed underneath it would be far, far more enjoyable without the oppressive concrete overcast.
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Archaeological report showing the history of the area, some interesting pictures and drawings of the various stages of the area.

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/ARCHAEOLOGICAL-OVERVIEW-ASSESSMENT.pdf
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2015, 9:56 PM
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I have been under the Gardiner Expressway and I can assure you that whatever has been developed underneath it would be far, far more enjoyable without the oppressive concrete overcast.
the constant grey clouds are oppressive in this city. LOL.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2015, 10:14 PM
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Neat photos. Neat to see where the shoreline once was and the original viaduct.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 1:45 AM
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Archaeological report showing the history of the area, some interesting pictures and drawings of the various stages of the area.

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/ARCHAEOLOGICAL-OVERVIEW-ASSESSMENT.pdf
Thanks!

And it contains the map (we've seen before) showing why it's not a good idea to try to develop where Creekside Park is to be expanded.

Note the area marked "tar dumping area".


http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/ARCHAEOLOGICAL-OVERVIEW-ASSESSMENT.pdf
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 4:37 AM
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Thanks!

And it contains the map (we've seen before) showing why it's not a good idea to try to develop where Creekside Park is to be expanded.

Note the area marked "tar dumping area".
Yep. It helps explain why the bottom of False Creek is full of toxins. It seems like the best idea would be to have a seawall next to the water, then the "super road", then development. Put the park on top of the most contaminated area and develop the other parts.

But I guess you never really know what's underground until you dig it up...
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 4:39 AM
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Wow - so glad things are not done like that anymore.... Tar dumping. Yikes. So who be responsible for cleaning up sites for development?
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 6:35 AM
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Yep. It helps explain why the bottom of False Creek is full of toxins. It seems like the best idea would be to have a seawall next to the water, then the "super road", then development. Put the park on top of the most contaminated area and develop the other parts.

But I guess you never really know what's underground until you dig it up...
Looking at that Archaeological Report that ya submitted... it has now finally dawned upon me and finally answered my questions as to why the NE False Creek area has remained stagnant and undeveloped over the past 30 or so years. Has never made any sense. Now it does.

Firstly, obviously has nothing to do with the removal of the viaducts. At all. Obviously, that area is infested with toxic materials. To wit:

1. The huge "Tar Dumping Area";

2. The "Coal/Coke Pile";

3. The "Coke Ovens" site;

4. The "Tar Pit";

5. The "Exhauster House";

6. The "Tar Silos";

7. The "Ash Sight";

8. The "Coal Tar Loading Area";

The underlying soils are obviously toxic and, under today's stringent enviro regulations, would likely require perhaps... what... roughly $1 billion for final remediation? No wonder that the NE False Creek Area has remained mired, strangely enough, undeveloped for so long. Again, nothing to do with the viaducts.

And then we have the historical lumber operations operating thereon with toxic PCBs and the rest of that toxic cocktail. No remaining area of NE False Creek remains unfettered.

At the end of the day, now looking like and likely gonna be a roughly $1 billion capital projects referendum in the 2018 Van City election just to remove the viaducts in terms of overall cost. Cannot see the province kicking in any funds towards same. At all.

The entire Geoff Meggs-driven viaduct removal plan is also the biggest political swindle/financial boondoggle that the CoV has ever seen methinks. And yes, I am also a CoV taxpayer/voter.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 6:57 AM
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The underlying soils are obviously toxic and, under today's stringent enviro regulations, would likely require perhaps... what... roughly $1 billion for final remediation?
Thanks for the laugh.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 7:03 AM
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*l* I agree, there is nothing stopping from constructing any of those parcels if they wanted to. The excavation would take care of the issue, you'd just have to find a place to dump it or pay to have it shipped and treated.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 7:20 AM
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The entire Geoff Meggs-driven viaduct removal plan is also the biggest political swindle/financial boondoggle that the CoV has ever seen methinks. And yes, I am also a CoV taxpayer/voter.
Whoa!!!! I just hope the general Vancouver public becomes aware of that ASAP, preferably before the civic election. I wonder if someone could start an information campaign on it.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 7:25 AM
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Thanks for the laugh.
Yep. You are def not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

And I am also very familiar with the former Expo '86 provincial land sale to Concord Pacific and the underlying toxic soil issue since then!

Family, as well as myself, have been involved in residential/commercial/industrial development in BC for well over 50 years. And I once had to deal with a contaminated site (completely minuscule in comparison to NE False Creek) that approached $8 figures for remediation. I only need to extrapolate from same.

PS. I now completely stay away from any "potential" contaminated site (however minimal) with more than just a 10-foot pole after that brutal experience!

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2015, 5:44 PM
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$1 billion for final remediation?
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2015, 5:54 AM
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As for the usual "Große Mund - nichts zwischen die Ohren" crowd...

Those NE False Creek lands are considered "Class 1" contaminated and the remedial costs for same have exploded exponentially even just over the past 5 years alone under both applicable provincial and federal statutes with new stringent regulations thereunder. Hell, $500 million is still in the ball park ... but then we are just quibbling.

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Old Posted Nov 30, 2015, 6:03 PM
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I have been under the Gardiner Expressway and I can assure you that whatever has been developed underneath it would be far, far more enjoyable without the oppressive concrete overcast.
Not when it rains so much in our city. Get rid of the concrete overcast, only to be replaced by an 8-lane "super road" congested with traffic. How is that far more enjoyable?
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2015, 9:45 PM
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Moot point now, I suppose, but thought this article envisioning a 10-acre public space underneath Toronto's Gardiner Expressway was of interest:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toro...h-paths-cultural-spaces/article27280670/

Of course, this doesn't fit the current narrative around the viaduct removal...
why not?
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2015, 9:47 PM
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*l* I agree, there is nothing stopping from constructing any of those parcels if they wanted to. The excavation would take care of the issue, you'd just have to find a place to dump it or pay to have it shipped and treated.
We have the largest ocean right beside us, it shouldn't be hard to get rid of the soil.
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