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Old Posted Jul 5, 2014, 3:56 PM
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That street is about 4 lanes wider then I could ever support, but the sidewalke is decent.
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The road is still wide open for several blocks. It's very clear this road could handle a lot more traffic.
Yes, the one way expressways are very inefficient road designs that have much of the lanes empty and unused too often.

A waste.
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Yes, the one way expressways are very inefficient road designs that have much of the lanes empty and unused too often.

A waste.
If we were to accept this simplistic evaluation of Main Street, then by extension, the bus-only lane on King Street is also very inefficient as it allows only one vehicle to travel down it every five minutes or so, leaving the lane empty and unused too often.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2014, 4:32 PM
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This is my ideal boulevard > trees lining the street, wide sidewalks, etc.

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Boulevards like the ones on York and Main W really are pointless IMHO.
I am a huge fan of the urban design that went into Paris. It is an incredibly dense, pedestrian friendly city with an comprehensive public transit system that works extremely well (when there isn't a strike going on). It is also interesting to note the building heights. Density can be achieved more efficiently without straining infrastructure by applying an effective all-around concentration of mid-rises as opposed to intermittent spurts of high rise clusters. I wish North American cities would adopt this kind of urban design more readily.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2014, 5:35 PM
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If we were to accept this simplistic evaluation of Main Street, then by extension, the bus-only lane on King Street is also very inefficient as it allows only one vehicle to travel down it every five minutes or so, leaving the lane empty and unused too often.
Ridiculous. I don't think that even you believe that the bus lane is about moving a single vehicle.
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What I think is the dedicated bus lane on King Street is about as poor an implementation in traffic design as is the five lanes of one way traffic on Main Street, and as poor an implementation as the bicycle lanes on Hunter Street. All are half-measures whose design and implementation are complete and utter failures in urban design.
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Duke & Bold two-way conversion voted for in Ward 2 Participatory Budgeting.

See here: http://www.pbward2.ca/news/pbw2-2014-vote-supports-the-roof-at-st-marks/
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2014, 8:14 PM
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I think the Main sidewalks are too narrow. They are directly beside the road, and yet there are few parked cars in the outer lanes to protect pedestrians and calm traffic, for example. Even if converted to two-way, it still wouldn't be pedestrian-friendly.

All this talk about two-ways is nice but maybe obscure other possibly more important things. After all, is Ste-Catherine a hostile place for pedestrians?
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Duke & Bold two-way conversion voted for in Ward 2 Participatory Budgeting.

See here: http://www.pbward2.ca/news/pbw2-2014-vote-supports-the-roof-at-st-marks/
The associated CCS report is an interesting read. Would be curious to see a comparison of PB voting patterns with municipal voting patterns.

The Mary Street complete streets conversion was narrowly edged out by games tables, neighbourhood signage and park bench sets: 315 points to 321, 322 and 328 points respectively.
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The associated CCS report is an interesting read. Would be curious to see a comparison of PB voting patterns with municipal voting patterns.

The Mary Street complete streets conversion was narrowly edged out by games tables, neighbourhood signage and park bench sets: 315 points to 321, 322 and 328 points respectively.
Yeah that's too bad the Mary Street project lost. 41% of voters were from Durand versus 9% from Beasley. There's always next year I guess.

I didn't like the idea of having the old city wards having to pay more than the other wards, but at least this money is getting used for hyperlocal projects that the other councilors can't really squash. Seems like this is one way of actually getting one way conversions done over the concerns of Mountain councilors.
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If this comment on RTH is to be believed, Wentworth will be converted to 2-way in the not so distant future.

http://raisethehammer.org/comment/110563
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Why one-way streets are the absolute worst

Hamilton Spectator By Emily Badger

WASHINGTON In John Gilderbloom's experience, the notorious streets are invariably the one-way streets. These are the streets lined with foreclosed homes and empty storefronts, the streets that look neglected and feel unsafe, the streets where you might find drug dealers at night.

"Sociologically, the way one-way streets work," he says, "[is that] if there are two or more lanes, a person can just pull over and make a deal, while other traffic can easily pass them by."

It's also easier on a high-speed one-way road to keep an eye out for police or flee from the scene of a crime. At least, this is the pattern Gilderbloom, director of the Center for Sustainable Urban Neighborhoods at the University of Louisville, has observed in San Francisco, in Los Angeles, in Houston and Washington, D.C., where streets that once flowed both directions were converted in the 1950s and '60s into fast-moving one-way thoroughfares to help cars speed through town. The places where this happened, Gilderbloom noticed, deteriorated.

"I thought about that for a long time," he says. "But we didn't have much empirical data on it."

Where he lives now in Louisville, he and fellow researchers have begun to prove the curious link between how we engineer roads and what becomes of the neighborhoods around them. Their research offers a lot more fodder for anyone who doesn't like one-way streets simply because they're baffling to navigate.

First, they took advantage of a kind of natural experiment: In 2011, Louisville converted two one-way streets near downtown, each a little more than a mile long, back to two-way traffic. In data that they gathered over the following three years, Gilderbloom and William Riggs found that traffic collisions dropped steeply — by 36 percent on one street and 60 percent on the other — after the conversion, even as the number of cars traveling these roads increased. Crime dropped too, by about a quarter, as crime in the rest of the city was rising. Property values rose, as did business revenue and pedestrian traffic, relative to before the change and to a pair of nearby comparison streets. The city, as a result, now stands to collect higher property tax revenues along these streets, and to spend less sending first-responders to accidents there.

Gilderbloom and Riggs have also done an analysis of the entire city of Louisville, comparing census tracts with multi-lane one-way streets to those without them. The basic pattern holds city-wide: They found that the risk of a crash is twice as high for people riding through neighborhoods with these one-way streets. The property values in census tracts there were also about half the value of homes in the rest of the city.

Some of these findings are more obvious: Traffic tends to move faster on a wide one-way road than on a comparable two-way city street, and slower traffic means fewer accidents. The rest of these results are theoretically connected to each other in complex ways.

To the extent that vice flourishes on neglected high-speed, one-way, getaway roads, two-way streets may be less conducive to certain crimes. If they bring slower traffic and, as a result, more cyclists and pedestrians, that also creates more "eyes on the street" — which, again, deters crime. A decline in crime and calmer traffic in turn may raise property values — which may also increase the demand of residents to police and care for their neighborhood.

"Back 10 to 15 years ago, we would have called it a 'broken windows' theory," says Riggs, an assistant professor of city planning and transportation engineering at California Polytechnic State University. That term, more recently, has gotten caught up in a broader debate about modern police tactics. In this context, though, Riggs is talking about the idea that a virtuous cycle appears in a neighborhood when signs of neglect — dangerous traffic, criminal activity, abandoned homes — start to disappear.

The argument that he makes with Gilderbloom isn't so much that all one-way roads are bad, or that they contribute to these problems in every context. One-way roads can be narrow and quiet, conducive to cycling and pedestrians. Plenty of them aren't wide enough for two-way travel anyway. It's also possible that wider, faster one-way roads might achieve some of these same goals without converting them into two-way streets but by installing other traffic-calming fixes.

Their point is that many cities decided to change these roads in the post-World War II era when we broadly re-engineered cities around the car — and that change over time came at a cost to the neighborhoods that we enabled cars to speed through.

"What we're doing when we put one-way streets there is we're over-engineering automobility," Riggs says, "at the expense of people who want a more livable environment."


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Montreal is awash with one way streets and has some of the best pedestrian environments I've seen.
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I don't remember many of Montreal's one ways to be as wide as Main or King (International Village excepted). I could be mistaken, though.
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The difference in Montreal is that their one-way streets are complete with wide sidewalks, bike lanes and mostly full streetwalls of mid-rise or taller buildings. It's a much more urban experience. Look at Rue St. Antoine, East of Square Victoria for an example of a one-way street done right. 5 lanes wide (like Main Street) but with 2 driving lanes in the middle, a bike lane and on-street parking on each side. Complete with wide sidewalks, trees and buildings.
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I don't remember many of Montreal's one ways to be as wide as Main or King (International Village excepted). I could be mistaken, though.

Lots of 4-5 lane ones.

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The difference in Montreal is that their one-way streets are complete with wide sidewalks, bike lanes and mostly full streetwalls of mid-rise or taller buildings. It's a much more urban experience. Look at Rue St. Antoine, East of Square Victoria for an example of a one-way street done right. 5 lanes wide (like Main Street) but with 2 driving lanes in the middle, a bike lane and on-street parking on each side. Complete with wide sidewalks, trees and buildings.
True, but that shows it's an issue of lacking bike lanes, wide sidewalks, trees, etc. are the issue. A two way street that looks like the less pleasant bits of King or Main and it's not a pleasant walking experience. Ottawa is filled with those, and Barton isn't far from it.
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Wentworth Street is going two-way

Hamilton Spectator

Wentworth Street will soon allow two-way traffic from the industrial waterfront all the way to the escarpment.

Coun. Matthew Green earned council support for the full-length conversion Wednesday, emphasizing neighbourhood support and a history of consultation stretching back to the late former councillor Bernie Morelli.

Supportive residents immediately weighed in online. "A big step towards reducing vehicle speeds and neighbourhood cut throughs," tweeted Tom Shepherd.

Staff estimated the conversion will cost between $100,000 and $250,000.

The city had already approved a conversion from one-way traffic between Delaware Avenue to King Street East, but Green's motion covered the remaining portion.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6136152-wentworth-street-is-going-two-way/

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Wentworth Street is going two-way

Hamilton Spectator

Wentworth Street will soon allow two-way traffic from the industrial waterfront all the way to the escarpment.

Coun. Matthew Green earned council support for the full-length conversion Wednesday, emphasizing neighbourhood support and a history of consultation stretching back to the late former councillor Bernie Morelli.

Supportive residents immediately weighed in online. "A big step towards reducing vehicle speeds and neighbourhood cut throughs," tweeted Tom Shepherd.

Staff estimated the conversion will cost between $100,000 and $250,000.

The city had already approved a conversion from one-way traffic between Delaware Avenue to King Street East, but Green's motion covered the remaining portion.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=146928&page=23
Hey LikeHamilton, just a friendly FYI.

As per posting rules below "Third-party articles and images must be properly formatted and credited". Plus a few other things, like a link to the article (which is really what I care about )
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Hey LikeHamilton, just a friendly FYI.

As per posting rules below "Third-party articles and images must be properly formatted and credited". Plus a few other things, like a link to the article (which is really what I care about )
Sorry I was in a hurry and copied the wrong link.
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We focus, for good reason, on the east-west corridor but there are so many n-s candidates that are just as deserving. After Wentworth, Victoria and Wellington should be flipped next...
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