YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 413

Johnny Aussie · #**8241** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 9:11 PM**

Back in the mid 80s, prior to open skies, Air Cal commenced SJC-YVR as a special provision route that was granted under the specific bilateral agreement between Canada and the U.S. at the time.
Enter American Airlines. AA purchased Air Cal in 1987 and kept SJC as a West Coast hub for some time. This was a convenient step for AA to commence direct (not nonstop) flights to DFW as a one-stop option via SJC as nonstop flights weren't allowed until open skies was signed in 1995.
Open skies ---> AA quickly launched nonstop flights from YVR to DFW, AA's main global hub, JFK and MIA. However, they did maintain one daily YVR-SJC-DFW flight on top of nonstop flights to DFW, JFK and MIA. As is the case with many airline mergers, hubs at the acquired airline tend to get reduced over time and eventually closed. When AA purchased Reno Air in 1999, they turned SJC into a pseudo Reno Air hub for a couple of years until eventually closing both the RNO and SJC hubs and then AA exits YVR-SJC.

CP's turn. During Canadian Airlines' attempt at building YVR as an Asia - Pacific hub and leveraging off its affiliation with AA and entrance into Oneworld, CP launched a very aggressive transborder network into the USA. Flights were being added all over the shop in the late 1990s to places like Chicago, Boston, Dallas, Las Vegas, San Diego and San Jose and adding flights to existing routes. This strategy did not last long and the twice daily CP F28s to SJC were scrapped very quickly and eventually along with the collapse of Canadian Airlines in general.

And enter Air Canada...

Klazu · #**8242** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

That's the old configuration. The new high density planes are 3-4-3 in Y. I flew to LHR recently on one which was bearable because it was only half full. Even then the (reduced) washrooms were filthy by the end of the flight, can't imaine what it would be like when it is full.

Had the "pleasure" to experience the Air Canada 777-300ER HD today. Our flight from Toronto was supposed to be on a new 787-9, but the flight from Santiago was running late and they made few dozen of us connecting in Toronto to take the next flight instead, which was onboard the Tin Can.

For someone who is 190cm tall like myself it was very uncomfortable to be seated on a middle seat. Luckily the guy next to me was upgraded to business, so I could take the aisle seat instead.

On my trip I had the chance to enjoy all Air Canada 777 variations there are: 200LR, 300ER and 300ER HD. 200LR has the most space, but they have some row-wide plate below the seats that is very uncomfortable for one's toes. 300ER was super noisy and 300ER HD very tight. The only great thing about 300ER is the new entertainment system.

On my six flights I has the chance to try six different planes, which was nice. Shame about missing the AC 787-9, but they have 25 of those on order, so it is just a matter of time to sit on one. LAN's 787-9 was nice, as already mentioned and service was better than with Air Canada.

Good to be back home on the northern hemisphere and read great YVR news.

west1266 · #**8243** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 11:02 PM**

Interesting column in Vancity Buzz summarizing the new routes out of YVR.http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/11/new-vancouver-flights-to-chicago-san-diego-and-san-jose/

Denscity · #**8244** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 11:05 PM**

Globe@YVR named 5th best airport restaurant in the world.

Johnny Aussie · #**8245** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Looks messy, with the path going all over the place on the Chinese side, and I can't figure out how to prevent SZX from covering HKG...

Love your work! Imagine if somebody posted that just a few years ago and titled it something like potential YVR-China routes... I know we would have been....

CareerShow · #**8246** Posted **Nov 19, 2015, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by west1266

Interesting column in Vancity Buzz summarizing the new routes out of YVR.http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/11/new-vancouver-flights-to-chicago-san-diego-and-san-jose/

A few minor errors in the article. Kunming is not a non-stop flight as well westjet just increased orlando to 2 weekly. Overall tho, pretty spot on!

SFUVancouver · #**8247** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Had the "pleasure" to experience the Air Canada 777-300ER HD today. Our flight from Toronto was supposed to be on a new 787-9, but the flight from Santiago was running late and they made few dozen of us connecting in Toronto to take the next flight instead, which was onboard the Tin Can.

For someone who is 190cm tall like myself it was very uncomfortable to be seated on a middle seat. Luckily the guy next to me was upgraded to business, so I could take the aisle seat instead.

On my trip I had the chance to enjoy all Air Canada 777 variations there are: 200LR, 300ER and 300ER HD. 200LR has the most space, but they have some row-wide plate below the seats that is very uncomfortable for one's toes. 300ER was super noisy and 300ER HD very tight. The only great thing about 300ER is the new entertainment system.

On my six flights I has the chance to try six different planes, which was nice. Shame about missing the AC 787-9, but they have 25 of those on order, so it is just a matter of time to sit on one. LAN's 787-9 was nice, as already mentioned and service was better than with Air Canada.

Good to be back home on the northern hemisphere and read great YVR news.

Welcome home Klazu. Sounds like you had an amazing trip; both destinations and the metal that got you there.

excel · #**8248** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 6:08 AM**

As far as a SSP YVR meet, I suggest the threshold for the first arrival of BA 380. It's a ways away but gives us time to plan.

Vagabond · #**8249** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 7:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This is NO joke folks....

Effective 2 June 2016 daily rouge A319 YVR-SAN

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN D 319
AC1801 SAN1525 - 1815YVR D 319

The flight will rotate through a daily rouge YYZ-SAN as well.

So there you go!! The question about SAN has been answered.

The AC YVR - California daily flights tally will now be a lucky thirteen!

Aaaaaand you heard it here first!

Nooooo......!!!! I was hoping Westjet would beat Rouge to the punch on this route. Also, the outgoing flight time isn't great for those of us with young kids (ie. Zoo/Seaworld traffic). I guess we will still be flying WS into SNA for the foreseeable future!

I wonder if this new AC push into Cali will eventually have an impact on Delta's SEA-YVR flights? I'd imagine SJC and SAN would be two of the most popular destinations/origins for transit passengers. Anecdotally, I booked SJC-YVR flights for my in-laws last summer, and DL via SEA was by far the quickest and cheapest option at the time.

Denscity · #**8250** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by excel

As far as a SSP YVR meet, I suggest the threshold for the first arrival of BA 380. It's a ways away but gives us time to plan.

In!!

Johnny Aussie · #**8251** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vagabond

Nooooo......!!!! I was hoping Westjet would beat Rouge to the punch on this route. Also, the outgoing flight time isn't great for those of us with young kids (ie. Zoo/Seaworld traffic). I guess we will still be flying WS into SNA for the foreseeable future!

I wonder if this new AC push into Cali will eventually have an impact on Delta's SEA-YVR flights? I'd imagine SJC and SAN would be two of the most popular destinations/origins for transit passengers. Anecdotally, I booked SJC-YVR flights for my in-laws last summer, and DL via SEA was by far the quickest and cheapest option at the time.

I knew it was going to be rouge to SAN next. They were next on my list of potential destinations after PSP. Well perhaps WS will jump in as well! To think one year ago no flights to MCO and this winter there will be 4 weekly on two airlines. WS really has to protect their home turf in YYC so they will still be trying to get people to funnel through there on some flights. The outbound SAN flight is a bit odd.

Johnny Aussie · #**8252** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 8:48 PM**

Sunwing is reducing sun flights next summer from YVR.

They will be flying only four weekly one each to CUN, PVR, SJD and VRA.

Last summer there were 5 weekly flights (CUN was twice weekly).

On the plus side Air Transat looks like they will be flying their own metal to CUN and PVR next summer on their own 737-800s instead of the smaller Enerjet 737-700s.

Cage · #**8253** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 10:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The outbound SAN flight is a bit odd.

Come the summer schedule, there is no more Western rouge 319 base for FA or pilots. The SAN flights will operate the following route:

YYZ-SAN-YVR-SAN (remain overnight) -YYZ.

Johnny Aussie · #**8254** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Come the summer schedule, there is no more Western rouge 319 base for FA or pilots. The SAN flights will operate the following route:

YYZ-SAN-YVR-SAN (remain overnight) -YYZ.

Any idea how they are going to work YVR-ANC, YVR-LAS and YYC-LAS?

Looks like YYC-YHM isn't going to be happening either.

I can trace one rouge A319 will be doing:

(ron) LAS0730-1010YVR
YVR1125-1413LAS
LAS1455-1855YYC
YYC1925-2121LAS (ron)

But then there is this.... the odd man out:

YVR1335-1558ANC
ANC1645-2058YVR

As we have seen and you have indicated the new YVR-SAN will rotate through YYZ.

CareerShow · #**8255** Posted **Nov 20, 2015, 11:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Any idea how they are going to work YVR-ANC, YVR-LAS and YYC-LAS?

Looks like YYC-YHM isn't going to be happening either.

I can trace one rouge A319 will be doing:

(ron) LAS0730-1010YVR
YVR1125-1413LAS
LAS1455-1855YYC
YYC1925-2121LAS (ron)

But then there is this.... the odd man out:

YVR1335-1558ANC
ANC1645-2058YVR

As we have seen and you have indicated the new YVR-SAN will rotate through YYZ.

Also, what about the winter. What will AC do with regards to PSP, Phx, and Las Vegas as far as scheduling, unless they transferred the routes to AC mainline.

Gordon · #**8256** Posted **Nov 21, 2015, 12:16 AM**

Both YVR Las & anc both appear as the aC site as a310 Rouge flights in June

Hot Rod · #**8257** Posted **Nov 21, 2015, 7:41 AM**

a319.

I almost had a heart attack seeing a310, a widebody.

Johnny Aussie · #**8258** Posted **Nov 21, 2015, 8:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hot Rod

a319.

I almost had a heart attack seeing a310, a widebody.

So funny. I read that earlier and didn't even see the typo.

I think Air Transat still fly A310s to YVR in the winter season.

Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

casper · #**8259** Posted **Nov 21, 2015, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So funny. I read that earlier and didn't even see the typo.

I think Air Transat still fly A310s to YVR in the winter season.

Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

They could always route flights YYZ-low yield destination - YVR - low yield destination - YYZ or do the same through Calgary. Another options to run the 767 that does Hawaii into that destination during the day to increase use of the 767.

Cage · #**8260** Posted **Nov 21, 2015, 6:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

For the summer season, I suspect that PHX and LAS can be serviced from YYZ base similar to SAN (e.g. YYZ-LAS-YVR-LAS-YYC-LAS-YYZ). However for the winter season; LAS is an easy combination for 763 service for both YVR and YYC. The YYC option would be Hawaii during the night and LAS during the day.

PSP could be a casualty of no rouge 319 or it could transition to mainline.