YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Hey west1266, congrats to upgrading status to non-lurker! It's always great to have another voice in the mix!

Welcome! And great first post!


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If they build the yellow terminal to the east, would there be no transborder capacity? How would you transit from one wing to another? Personally, although I'd love to see another terminal to the east, I'm in favor of keeping the airport as compact as you can for as long as possible. Adding that Eastern wing would increase transfers for some passengers. It looks like they'd have to exit the secure zone to change terminals.

What would be good if they build out the yellow portion is a three four story terminal. Lowest floor handling all the baggage/technical. Then one level for international departures and a second level for US departures. The middle level for arrivals. Basically what you see with many of the European airports such as Munich.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

What would be good if they build out the yellow portion is a three four story terminal. Lowest floor handling all the baggage/technical. Then one level for international departures and a second level for US departures. The middle level for arrivals. Basically what you see with many of the European airports such as Munich.

In his speech to the Board of Trade, Craig Richmond made it clear that the perpendicular (vertical) part of the yellow eastern extension would not be built, as, with jets parked all around, it would crowd out business space essential to YVR.
However, in post 2020, the yellow part running parallel to the road was included in the expansion - presumably as the new US departures wing, and could be included in the "centre" option, colored green; seemingly the preferred option.
The grey "western" option is considered too impractical and expensive, especially given the spongy YVR terrain and the forced disusue of the crosswind runway.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by whatnext

That's the old configuration. The new high density planes are 3-4-3 in Y. I flew to LHR recently on one which was bearable because it was only half full. Even then the (reduced) washrooms were filthy by the end of the flight, can't imaine what it would be like when it is full.

Ah, right you are. I thought I saw Premium Economy seats, but I think I was mistaken. It was indeed this configuration rather than this one. Noisy plane, but quite comfortable. I suppose I still don't want to experience the HD version, based on all the comments.

Great flight onboard LAN 787-8 to IPC last night. Dreamliner is so much ahead of old planes when it comes to passanger comfort and I couldn't make a difference between AC and LAN 787-8. AC perhaps has a better entertainment system but LAN has better service. Warm dinner on a 5 hour domestic flight was a nice surprise.

Next up, two B787-9 return flights on LAN and Air Canada.

[thebus]

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/11/ac-sfolax-s16/

From 01MAY16, Air Canada mainline to operate following routes, instead of rouge:

Vancouver – Los Angeles 5 daily A320 (4 on Saturdays)
Vancouver – San Francisco 5 daily A320 (4 on Saturdays)

With the service adjustment, Air Canada will not be offering Boeing 767 operation on Vancouver – Los Angeles sector in summer 2016 season.

YVR going to all mainline to LAX, SFO but with no widebody service offered. How does this compare to current frequencies?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thebus

YVR going to all mainline to LAX, SFO but with no widebody service offered. How does this compare to current frequencies?

Last summer YVR-LAX was 5 daily on rouge - one of those was a 763.
YVR-SFO was 4 daily so that's being bumped up to 5 daily as well.

Winter YVR-SFO remains 4 daily but YVR-LAX drops to 3 daily (one being a 763).

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EXPANSION

From what I read about expansion at YVR... By 2020:

Pier D to be extended west with 5 gates added.
Pier A to be extended east with 5 gates added.
Pier B to be given a big overhaul and likely more gates added.

Then they need to decide what they are going to do post 2020.

With Sea Island's water table so high may as well scratch the satellite to the west as tunnelling would be an engineering nightmare and $$$$.
The downside to only extending the current piers even further (after the expansions to 2020) would be not building additional terminal space to cope with all the additional gates. Unless they think most of the passenger volume increase would be coming from connection pax and not O&D.
The Eastern option makes the most sense.

[osirisboy]

Didn they just finish totally redoing pier b?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Didn they just finish totally redoing pier b?

Only half of pier B got replaced, and the part that got replaced was the better half. The end of pier B has been neglected since the days of PWA 737-200 Jurassics trolling the water around BC.

Speaking of waters, I think that YVRAA should run a ferry service between main terminal building and the post 2020 satelite terminal. They could either partner up with BC Ferries or go the individual route with Gondolas.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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EXPANSION

From what I read about expansion at YVR... By 2020:

Pier D to be extended west with 5 gates added.
Pier A to be extended east with 5 gates added.
Pier B to be given a big overhaul and likely more gates added.

Then they need to decide what they are going to do post 2020.

With Sea Island's water table so high may as well scratch the satellite to the west as tunnelling would be an engineering nightmare and $$$$.
The downside to only extending the current piers even further (after the expansions to 2020) would be not building additional terminal space to cope with all the additional gates. Unless they think most of the passenger volume increase would be coming from connection pax and not O&D.
The Eastern option makes the most sense.

Don't you remember that in his Board of Trade address, he stated that the Eastern option, was problematic in that, if build horizontally AND vertically goung north,
that his, with planes parked all around it would be damaging to businesses
immediately adjacent, and therefore not a good option.

He favoured the "CENTRAL" (green colored) option which includes lengthening all the existing piers, and extending the building East in a lengthy way, without going north.
It's in the video, and is excplicit on this.

[nname]

Originally Posted by airlineroute twitter

Tianjin Airlines plans 4 weekly Chongqing - Tianjin - Vancouver with A330 from June 2016

I'm guessing the Hainan's proposal was rejected? They now applying for Beijing-Calgary starting June.

(Chinese Source from CAAC)

Seems like Hainan and Tianjin Airlines are under the same parent company. Tianjin Airlines currently do not own or have any A330 on order, nor have anything else that can fly to Vancouver. Where are they going to get the planes from? Transfer from Hainan?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I'm guessing the Hainan's proposal was rejected? They now applying for Beijing-Calgary starting June.

(Chinese Source from CAAC)

Seems like Hainan and Tianjin Airlines are under the same parent company. Tianjin Airlines currently do not own or have any A330 on order, nor have anything else that can fly to Vancouver. Where are they going to get the planes from? Transfer from Hainan?

Hainan is just going gang busters with expansion.

Not sure if Hainan has been rejected, certainly possible, but perhaps two applications hoping to get one approved.

And there is the missing link to Chongqing if this one gets approved.

There have just been soooooo many CAAC application announcements in the last few months to everywhere in the world..Hard to keep track!

[hoboman27]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Hainan is just going gang busters with expansion.

Not sure if Hainan has been rejected, certainly possible, but perhaps two applications hoping to get one approved.

And there is the missing link to Chongqing if this one gets approved.

There have just been soooooo many CAAC application announcements in the last few months to everywhere in the whole.. Hard to keep track!

Hmm interesting, so maybe that's how YYC got Hainan's service and their A330s

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by hoboman27

Hmm interesting, so maybe that's how YYC got Hainan's service and their A330s

I think Hainan to YYC has been in the works for a while.

Hainan has plenty of aircraft available for expansion.

And I edited my last post... Sometimes not til I read somebody's post quoting mine do I see errors.

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Soooo IF this all happens.... direct flights to:

Beijing
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Hong Kong
Tianjin
Shenyang
Shenzhen
Kunming
Chengdu
Chongqing
Xiamen

Bloody hell... What's next?

Wuhan
Fuzhou
Xi'an
Qingdao
Harbin
Nanjing
Hangzhou

Seems rather limitless now.... Who would have thunk it?!

[Denscity]

YVR is already the North American king of flights to Asia what's next is right!!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think Hainan to YYC has been in the works for a while.

Hainan has plenty of aircraft available for expansion.

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Bloody hell... What's next?

Wuhan
Fuzhou
Xi'an
Qingdao
Harbin
Nanjing
Hangzhou

Seems rather limitless now.... Who would have thunk it?!

Is this for real??? Wheewww!!!!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Bloody hell... What's next?

Wuhan
Fuzhou
Xi'an
Qingdao
Harbin
Nanjing
Hangzhou

Seems rather limitless now.... Who would have thunk it?!

Or Macau.

Remember the Metis TransPacific?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Or Macau.

Remember the Metis TransPacific?

Forgotten about that total sham!

So many alarm bells yet people still thought it was legit.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Hainan is just going gang busters with expansion.

Not sure if Hainan has been rejected, certainly possible, but perhaps two applications hoping to get one approved.

And there is the missing link to Chongqing if this one gets approved.

There have just been soooooo many CAAC application announcements in the last few months to everywhere in the world..Hard to keep track!

Speaking of Hainan Airlines and YVR, here's an interesting piece of news from today about the proposed route to Tianjin:

http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/48/48824.html

Looks to be still on track.

[Hot Rod]

very nice.

I would assume it would route as Chongqing-Tianjin-Vancouver and not the way they are saying it (TJ-CQ-YVR). Great news nonetheless, I wonder why subsidiary Tianjin and Hainan doesn't do it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

very nice.

I would assume it would route as Chongqing-Tianjin-Vancouver and not the way they are saying it (TJ-CQ-YVR). Great news nonetheless, I wonder why subsidiary Tianjin and Hainan doesn't do it.

Not fully understanding the one airline one route policy in China. Maybe, just maybe, they allow airlines under the same group to operate from the same city.

Since Tianjin Airlines is a subsidiary of Hainan, maybe in the eyes of CAAC, they would allow both to fly TSN-YVR.

Perhaps they would use HU to operate just TSN-YVR and then Tianjin Airlines CKG-TSN-YVR as a way to get a direct CKG-YVR route.

However, based on both applications that would be 9 weekly from TSN-YVR which would appear to be a lot for a startup route.

In any event the question regarding equipment was answered in the China Daily article. Definitely acquiring the A330s from Hainan.

And if the Tianjin Airlines route does get approved it would be their first overseas route... Just like YVR was Sichuan's first overseas route.

Who would have thought the little fishing village of Vancouver would be so popular and in demand from so many different airlines???

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

very nice.

I would assume it would route as Chongqing-Tianjin-Vancouver and not the way they are saying it (TJ-CQ-YVR). Great news nonetheless, I wonder why subsidiary Tianjin and Hainan doesn't do it.

Correct. Here's a link to the bulletin itself (in Simplified Chinese): http://www.caac.gov.cn/C1/201511/t20151112_83006.html

Running it through Google Translate: "Tianjin Airlines Company Limited application since June 2016, the opening of Chongqing - Tianjin - Vancouver round-trip passenger flights, four flights a week, using the model A330."

Don't know why it's Tianjin Airlines, either, as I didn't think they had any widebody aircraft capable of flying to North America.