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Old Posted Nov 5, 2015, 7:06 PM
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^ Look a couple pages back.

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Old Posted Nov 5, 2015, 7:07 PM
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Surprised no one has posted about the Market Station redevelopment. Apartments, office space and lots of retail/restaurant space including an activated alley-scape similar to what they're doing with Z/Dairy Block. Renderings on Denver Cityscape.
We have been talking about it, a couple pages back, but it was lost in the discussion about colotechture and why isn't the Denver skyline full of more awesomeness. The verdict? Aliens.

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San Francisco benefits from having not torn down half its central city, too.
Well I mean, except for that whole earthquake thing.


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Luckily for them it happened before we replanned all our cities around cars.

Anyway, I'm just being snotty. San Francisco benefits from structurally being vastly denser than Denver, and just about everyone else. Even among American cities centuries older than San Francisco, not many have residential neighborhoods that look like this:

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The 'arcade' on the new Market st. station plan reminds me a lot of the Union Way shops in Portland: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/union_way_alleyway_connects_we.html
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2015, 9:39 PM
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Denver suffers from no Lack of room to build. In San Francisco, Seattle, and other denser cities you have build close together and vertically.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2015, 10:03 PM
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Seriously, wow. Would be phenomenal if that sticks.

I'm with Mr. 1138 on this one - cautiously optimistic that it could be very cool. I think shallow plazas are generally a disaster, and I do not think we have enough corner/street-facing space to work with to accommodate the retail we need. So a tiny alley is a neat solution... if it's executed well.
I'm looking at this as the first attempt since the Pavilions to bring retail outside of the giant food court that is everything else to downtown. It's got the number with ~30 retail spots to generate the critical mass needed to make a new node for downtown shopping. Heck, maybe even enough to get some spillover retail across the street along 16th and along Market.

In five years or so we could have retail nodes at Glenarm, Champa, Market, and Wewatta. If it's done right.
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The 'arcade' on the new Market st. station plan reminds me a lot of the Union Way shops in Portland: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/union_way_alleyway_connects_we.html
One of the coolest little spaces in America. Unfortunately, you walk in on one end in a nice, simple Banana Republic shirt and some pants and you emerge on the other side with a handlebar mustache and beard, plaid shirt, dirty Polar backpack and an overwhelming urge to listen to St. Vincent. Still, gorgeous.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 5:20 AM
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How many have watched the terrific video of "James" on the 16th Street Mall?
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 5:37 AM
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Trophy towers, corporate giving, critical mass of talent, etc.?

Yep. But that's not something that a city can do a terrible amount about except provide the foundations to support such companies such as infrastructure, educated labor pool, city amenities, desirable neighborhoods, etc. Denver's case is more one of bad timing and luck when it comes to big companies.

Denver has had an issue of not having a critical mass of homegrown companies from which the hometown global behemoth can sprout from. The 1980's energy crash wiped out a good number potential companies that could have been the next Anadrako, Encana, Mobile, etc. that would have been trophy tower candidates. Likewise for the telecom bust of the 1990's, though that had the issue of having a decidedly suburban office complex philosophy. We don't have any national banks that are large enough to have trophy tower aspirations, let alone regional ones. There's a couple of large engineering firms (a Denver strength) that could relocate downtown from the 'burbs, but that's not going to result in a trophy tower.

The two companies that are out there in the'burbs that would benefit from a downtown move, and could build a downtown tower, would be Liberty Media and IHS. But neither of them seem at all interested, though Liberty Global moving downtown could bode well.

Matt, you're mostly preaching to the choir on this. It's just that what you want: shiny, majestic, awe-inspiring commercial towers; are the purveyance of the private sector- specifically the private sector with jaw-dropping bottom lines with revenues in in the billions and profit margins above 20%. We need more of these that are home-grown and proud of Denver in order to get the trophy towers. Making a vibrant downtown, which we were kind of are just starting to do since the last 25 years was merely damage control following Skyline, and city is probably the first step to encourage the next Amazon to build a trophy tower here.
Yes, I realize a lack of major global corporate headquarters is holding Denver back on *many* fronts; not just architecture or as it relates to a trophy tower. I have been livid at the city's lackluster interest in pulling strings to get companies to move here (i.e. Boeing, when all we could do was send out John Elway for a meet and greet; the failed Echostar-DirecTV merger a decade ago which would have been based elsewhere; even Qwest being purchased by CenturyLink. Is Monroe, LA, really a better place for business than being at 1801 California St. in the heart of downtown Denver?) Instead, our city leaders rely on the "mountains" and "Quality of Life" to lure companies here. The Denver Metro Chamber is so passive and indifferent towards corporate "recruiting".

Not sure if we were debating something different when you spilled beer on my lap that one time. I must have got you angry over something.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 7:18 AM
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In five years or so we could have retail nodes at Glenarm, Champa, Market, and Wewatta. If it's done right.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In 15 years the most important retail street in Denver is going to Wynkoop
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 7:33 AM
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Yes, I realize a lack of major global corporate headquarters is holding Denver back on *many* fronts; not just architecture or as it relates to a trophy tower. I have been livid at the city's lackluster interest in pulling strings to get companies to move here (i.e. Boeing, when all we could do was send out John Elway for a meet and greet; the failed Echostar-DirecTV merger a decade ago which would have been based elsewhere; even Qwest being purchased by CenturyLink. Is Monroe, LA, really a better place for business than being at 1801 California St. in the heart of downtown Denver?) Instead, our city leaders rely on the "mountains" and "Quality of Life" to lure companies here. The Denver Metro Chamber is so passive and indifferent towards corporate "recruiting".

Not sure if we were debating something different when you spilled beer on my lap that one time. I must have got you angry over something.
All due respect but you appear to be very naive with respect to corporate recruitment.

Boeing paid Denver a courtesy call; they never had a any legitimate chance. Century Link wasn't looking to move they were only buying an asset which they had been doing for several years. Your opinion of Monroe LA is of no interest to them.

The Denver Metro Chamber is not involved in recruiting so it's no wonder they appear passive. This is your Lead Dog and they're very good at what they do. The state has the Office of Economic Development and International Trade which under Gov. Hickenlooper can be pivotal as well. Should a company have interest or decide they want to move to Colorado and specifically to Denver then the Mayor of Denver would get personally involved along with the Governor.

The Phoenix Business Journal has been running a series of articles that break down today's recruiting process which has changed a lot just in the last few years and Arizona's efforts to recruit new companies. So far as the site selection process and how Colorado rates you might want to check out This Site.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 9:36 AM
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ISIS uses earth tones also for its training camps

"Haha! Ken, you would applaud an ISIS compound if it meant development for another surface parking lot in downtown Denver. Your standards for this city are incredibly low; you accept anything for the sake of "infill development" with total disregard for the growing monotony of a single architectural aesthetic. Can't you think outside of the brown box? (pun intended)"

True, buildings have (and always will) feature materials from the earth since the "dawn of civilization". But on that same token, we're also no longer using rocks to carve drawings on cave walls
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Nice dickish comment.


Personally (and speaking as someone who did not grow up in the US) I find it hard to overestimate the ability of open parking lots to suck the soul out of a city. Even though I may take issue with some of the architecture down town, particularly for a lack of clear design message than the colours, I am yet to find any new build that comes close to being worse than an open lot. There has been some really good design as well.

Now turning to the design motifs of the ISIS training camp. They clearly focus on earth tones but they do not feel the need to have every other tent painted blue to mask a clumsy design. I like the attention to detail in having the uniforms match the buildings, and the buildings match the terrain, obviously going for Frank Lloyd Wright there. I know I am going to get criticism for this (no ground floor retail, only one level high, stick built) but would I prefer the camp as shown in place of the open parking opposite Coors Field at 20th and Wazee? Architecturally? yes.

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One of the coolest little spaces in America. Unfortunately, you walk in on one end in a nice, simple Banana Republic shirt and some pants and you emerge on the other side with a handlebar mustache and beard, plaid shirt, dirty Polar backpack and an overwhelming urge to listen to St. Vincent. Still, gorgeous.
Hah.. prolly true. I just had some delicious delicious Ramen in that little breezeway a couple of weeks ago tho. Totally worth having to shave that mustache off when I got home.
     
     
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lumos... Great post.
Chart of the Day
Source: BLS/Haver via MarketWatch
There are more full-time jobs than before the Great Recession hit
Published: Nov 6, 2015 by Steve Goldstein
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — It’s taken close to eight years, but the U.S. economy now has more full-time jobs than it had before the onset of the Great Recession.
A blowout jobs report in October created 271,000 new jobs. It is now a lead pipe cinch that the Fed will raise interest rates in December.

Just a guess that at least at the margin, developers will be encouraged to move projects forward and break ground sooner rather than later.
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Somewhere Over the Rainbow

With many of the current larger construction projects winding down through 2016 and 2017, I had wondered recently if anything would replace them? Larger (public) projects are largely immune from economic noise as they typically result from long-term planning. It's always good to have a few of these in the hopper.

Recently there'e been a rainbow of good news involving such larger projects.
  • Reauthorized with new funding the new VA Hospital at Fitszimons is once again a Go.
  • The Gaylord Rocky Mountain Hotel Convention Center is now funded and ready to go.
  • The ambitious redevelopment of East I-70 through Denver should be revving up in 2017. Same for the C-470 project.
  • Dirt should be moving in 2017/18 for both Gross Reservoir and Chatfield Reservoir capacity expansions.
  • Perhaps by 2018 there will be visible progress on the Colorado Convention Center expansion and National Western Ceneter site.
  • ???
P1 - For anyone interested in the Great Socio-economic Experiment and race to the tax bottom by some states, Kansas continues to be the poster child for proving that sometimes things have to get even worse before they get better? The Editorial Board of the Kansas City Star weighs in.
P2 - Meanwhile out on the Left Coast, the LAT is checking out the mood of the Colorado voter.

/smh - Council to vote on Emmaus rezoning next year

So even Korea's Got Talent.
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Here's a condo story right next to Union Station:

The final act in Union Station's rebirth is going to be a big one: a 19-story, 342-unit condominium tower offering up the first and only new for-sale housing in the booming neighborhood.

Denver's East West Partners and Amstar Advisers are joining forces to develop the project on the final open parcel near the bustling transportation hub, a narrow 1-acre block at 1750 Wewatta St., between the train platform and the Whole Foods-anchored Pivot Denver apartment complex now under construction.



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Bucking the trend of recent projects, the $200 million Coloradan will also be the first downtown condo development since 2009 to include an on-site affordable housing component under the city's Inclusionary Housing Ordinance. The rule was revised in 2014to give developers more incentive and flexibility to include marked-down units in their projects.

In The Coloradan — a high-rise with everything from studio "crash pads" to luxury penthouses and prices ranging from $250,000 to $3 million — 10 percent of the units will be income-restricted and sold at below-market rate, East West managing partner Chris Frampton said.








"We worked really hard under the new ordinance with the Office of Economic Development to figure out how to get those homes built in there," Frampton said. "We're pretty psyched that we will have them available."

"Downtown is for everybody," he said.

Mayor Michael Hancock, who has pledged to step up Denver's affordable housing efforts in his second term, said he hopes The Coloradan can become a model for future projects.

"It can be done and you can find a way to have affordable housing within the modeling of your project," Hancock said. "When you look at East West Partners and Amstar, you're looking at two very credible, forward thinking, bold, courageous developers. It doesn't surprise me at all that they've found a way to make this work."

The Inclusionary Housing Ordinance, first approved in 2002 and revised last year, requires all new for-sale housing developments in Denver with 30 or more units to set aside 10 percent of them for income-qualified buyers.

Developers have a few options for compliance, though. They can follow the letter of the law; work with the city to devise an alternative plan to provide affordable units; or make a cash-in-lieu payment, equivalent of up to 70 percent of the affordable sales price per unit.

For those who include affordable homes on site, the city provides incentives of up to $25,000 per unit, depending on the neighborhood.

In recent years, however, nearly all downtown projects have elected to make cash-in-lieu payments, including the One Lincoln Park, Four Seasons and Spire high rises. Together, the three projects paid the city $4.45 million rather than provide 77 affordable units, according to an October report from the Denver Office of Economic Development.

The last project in the downtown area to offer marked-down units on site was Grant Park in 2009, with the Uptown project providing 11 condos. Before that, the Jack Kerouac Lofts behind Coors Field provided six units in 2005.

Based on current plans, The Coloradan could easily double the number of affordable homes built downtown under the ordinance over the last 10 years.

In the Union Station area, where luxury apartments, retail and office buildings have risen at a dizzying pace, demand is there for condos, Amstar managing director Kim Sperry said.

"While there is a fundamental shift in rental trends, we believe the dream of home ownership is still alive," Sperry said in an e-mail. "An incredibly diverse group of people want to live in this vibrant, urban environment."

Development of condos has all but dried up in metro Denver, though, with builders blaming the state's construction-defect law for creating an environment so fraught with legal liability that projects aren't worth it.

Frampton said East West and Amstar are confident they can make condos work at Union Station.

"We've spent a lot of time analyzing the issue and trying to figure out how to manage it correctly," Frampton said.

An experienced condo developer, East West was the driving force behind the development of 900 units in Riverfront Park, as well as multiple projects in the Vail Valley and Summit County.

East West is also the master developer of the Union Station neighborhood, charged with overseeing the development of the entire 14-block area in conjunction with Continuum Partners.

"The key for us is, (a) to build a great team to build a great project, and (b) to fix the things that are broken and have a great process in place when there are gray areas so we can deliver on the promise to homeowners and protect the value of their homes," Frampton said.

They will be watching Denver's efforts to address the defect issue on a local level, too, he said.

The Denver City Council could vote Nov. 23 on an ordinance that would make it more difficult for homeowners to sue condo builders for construction flaws.

If approved, Denver would join Lakewood and a number of other suburban communities in taking local action after years of waiting for state lawmakers to approve reforms.

"I think we're pretty comfortable with where we are, but we are eager to see what they do," Frampton said.

GBD Architects of Portland, Ore., is designing The Coloradan building, with construction projected to start next summer and finish in 2018.

Proposed amenities include 19,000 square feet of ground-floor retail, a 452-stall parking garage, rooftop pool deck and club room, fitness room and residents' garden.

Hancock said it's the affordable housing component that is truly the project's "golden nugget."

"It's critical that we have access to this kind of diversity of housing in the area," the mayor said. "That's the hallmark of every neighborhood, every great neighborhood, whether you're in Denver or L.A."
     
     
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We should be good-to-go adding Express Lanes up I-25 the rest of the way to E470 in the same timeframe as well.
     
     
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So Denver gets a tiny amount of new affordable housing...by making the rest of the housing substantially more expensive. Which also keeps the rest of the condo market tight by restricting supply. This sounds like a worse problem than the liability issue. (Does it apply to rentals too?)

A fairer method, a key part of my town's arsenal, is a voter-approved levy on all property. This is a small burden spread widely. It doesn't disincentivize new supply. Of course we're considering the same inclusionary-type methods you have, which have screwed up San Francisco, New York, etc.

The station area seems to be getting a critical mass of offices, housing, and retail. Kudos.
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