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Old Posted Nov 1, 2015, 9:19 PM
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A few days ago, someone was killed in a car crash. Are they banning cars? Are they going to stop building roads?

It is horrible when someone dies from a accident but, what about the person who lived, and might have been the real reason for it?
The person who lived is most likely to be not at fault. CBC TV reported on Saturday that the driver was issued a ticket for not having insurance, this may mean not having proof of insurance.
HRP description : " At approximately 9:30 p.m. on Friday, October 30, Halifax Regional Police responded to a vehicle/bicycle collision in the area of Oxford Street at Coburg Road in Halifax. A 19-year-old male cyclist was travelling southbound on Oxford St. approaching Coburg Rd. and attempted a left turn from Oxford St. into a driveway in front of an SUV, operated by a 47-year-old man, that was travelling northbound on Oxford St. The cyclist was sent to hospital with what are believed to be life threatening injuries. Members of the Halifax Regional Police Collision Investigation Unit and Forensic Identification Section are conducting an investigation into this matter. "
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Old Posted Nov 1, 2015, 10:01 PM
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A vehicle (or bicycle) turning left in front of oncoming traffic and subsequently being involved in a crash is always deemed to be liable for the incident.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2015, 5:24 AM
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"Protection" on a street with virtually no traffic now. Quite wasteful.
Which would be more wasteful, if you could only choose one?

Building a protected bike lane on a street with virtually no traffic

OR

Building a protected bike lane on a street with heavy traffic, and no room for widening?
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2015, 2:04 PM
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Which would be more wasteful, if you could only choose one?

Building a protected bike lane on a street with virtually no traffic

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Building a protected bike lane on a street with heavy traffic, and no room for widening?

Bike lanes are wasteful in this area, by definition.
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Bike lanes are wasteful in this area, by definition.
They are only wasteful because they are not used. Tell me in 10 years the same thing.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 1:11 AM
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Bike lanes are wasteful in this area, by definition.
Only by your definition though.

Edit: like, you literally just made that up arbitrarily.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 1:41 AM
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A vehicle (or bicycle) turning left in front of oncoming traffic and subsequently being involved in a crash is always deemed to be liable for the incident.
A cycling spokesthingy was on TV on Sunday evening saying : 'We need protected bike lanes' as if that was somehow relevant to the accident. Sounded like a well trained politician : spout the party line and ignore the facts.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 1:44 AM
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Makes me wonder if alcohol or other drugs was a factor. I mean, you wouldn't think anyone who makes a habit of turning into the path of oncoming vehicles would have made it to the age of 19.
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Makes me wonder if alcohol or other drugs was a factor. I mean, you wouldn't think anyone who makes a habit of turning into the path of oncoming vehicles would have made it to the age of 19.
Possibly, but anybody can make an honest mistake. One split second error in judgement can have tragic or at least long-term effects on one's life.

Be careful out there!
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 12:25 PM
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They are only wasteful because they are not used. Tell me in 10 years the same thing.
And they certainly are used now. To be fair, I only see a couple of people in the Hollis lane each day, but the new lanes on North Park are positively busy.
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Possibly, but anybody can make an honest mistake. One split second error in judgement can have tragic or at least long-term effects on one's life.

Be careful out there!
Definitely. And very hard on the family if there is incorrect speculation.

Regardless of the exact cause, this is simply a horrible accident that has nothing to do with whether bike lanes are good or bad. It is only about a tragic mistake that has had a horrible consequence for a young person. That's all.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 8:39 PM
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And they certainly are used now. To be fair, I only see a couple of people in the Hollis lane each day, but the new lanes on North Park are positively busy.
... and this is in late fall. It is early November after all. Just think of what that will be like next summer.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 9:35 PM
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... and this is in late fall. It is early November after all. Just think of what that will be like next summer.
But cycling is supposed to happen all year, no? Isn't that why we are spending money on these things, to get cars off the road?
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 9:56 PM
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But cycling is supposed to happen all year, no? Isn't that why we are spending money on these things, to get cars off the road?
Over time, more people will ride through the winter. Till then, it will be an option for the better weather.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 10:22 PM
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I don't think the majority of people will want to bike longer distances in the winter, just like most people don't want to walk long distances in winter. But there are many shorter distances that a person might find too far or inconvenient to walk that would be absolutely fine to bike. Assuming that the streets and/or bike lanes were properly cleared.

Of course, in large parts of the metro area, things are too dispersed for them to be reasonably accessible by anything except car - or to a lesser extent, bus. In order for both transit and active transportation to work really well, it's extremely important for planners to work on increasing density so that destinations aren't too hard to reach. That of course means not building large amount of retail, services, or residences out on the edge of civilization, for instance.

When I was just starting out on my own and living in the outer parts of Spryfield to save cost, it took me about 20 minutes to bike down to the Bell road NSCC campus. I biked not because I was some sort of cycling zealot but because I was a poor student and needed to save money and also because using a car or bus would have taken twice as long due to traffic. I would never have been able to walk that far in the winter. I often grumbled and resented the fact that things were so low density and spread out, seeing countless detached houses that occupied less than half of their lots and whose yards were almost never used for anything even in the summer. Except as places where the occupant could walk their lawn mowers. Yet I had to drive twice as far in the cold just for their privilege of doing so.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 10:31 PM
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I don't think the majority of people will want to bike longer distances in the winter, just like most people don't want to walk long distances in winter. But there are many shorter distances that a person might find too far or inconvenient to walk that would be absolutely fine to bike. Assuming that the streets and/or bike lanes were properly cleared.

Of course, in large parts of the metro area, things are too dispersed for them to be reasonably accessible by anything except car - or to a lesser extent, bus. In order for both transit and active transportation to work really well, it's extremely important for planners to work on increasing density so that destinations aren't too hard to reach. That of course means not building large amount of retail, services, or residences out on the edge of civilization, for instance.

When I was just starting out on my own and living in the outer parts of Spryfield to save cost, it took me about 20 minutes to bike down to the Bell road NSCC campus. I biked not because I was some sort of cycling zealot but because I was a poor student and needed to save money and also because using a car or bus would have taken twice as long due to traffic. I would never have been able to walk that far in the winter. I often grumbled and resented the fact that things were so low density and spread out, seeing countless detached houses that occupied less than half of their lots and whose yards were almost never used for anything even in the summer. Except as places where the occupant could walk their lawn mowers. Yet I had to drive twice as far in the cold just for their privilege of doing so.
I used to live on Lady Hammond Rd and worked at the Dockyard. I would bike year round. It was cheaper than bus. I could not get parking, and it was faster than walking.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2015, 4:57 PM
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But cycling is supposed to happen all year, no? Isn't that why we are spending money on these things, to get cars off the road?
Yeah, that'll come over time. You don't just snap your fingers and get a solid, year-round cohort of cyclists. Halifax is starting from a pretty sad spot in terms of bike culture. Now that there's finally some investment in infrastructure we will see (and are seeing) more people out in the fair weather months. As that momentum grows and people adjust their lives to a cycling routine (and more infrastructure gets built) we should see the cycling season grow.

Does anyone know if the City, or any other body, is keeping track of bike numbers? It'd be interesting to see what kind of growth has happened over the past few years.
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The former bikeway and walkway sections of the MacDonald Bridge are being reused as bridge sections on Halifax area AT trails. The first one to go up is this one connecting Chain of Lakes to Crown Drive (will eventually extend down to Hail Pond/Long Lake).


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Wtf? So now they're going to have to buy brand new ones for the bridge when it comes time to put them back up?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2015, 4:39 PM
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Wtf? So now they're going to have to buy brand new ones for the bridge when it comes time to put them back up?
Yes. I'm not 100% positive but I think new walkway sections were required because of the changes to the bridge. Not only is the bridge being raised by 1 metre it will also have lower guardrails (similar to MacKay). I just hope the new bikeway sections will be a bit wider. Climbing up from Dartmouth can be challenging especially when there are people flying past you downhill on a section of roadway significantly narrower than a normal AT trail.
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