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Old Posted Nov 4, 2015, 4:04 PM
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Regarding the passenger stats, I think it's amazing how transborder has turned around from only a few years ago when it seemed like it was a fading sector, and Seattle/Bellingham were cannibalizing this market. The volume for the first 9 months of 2015 is already higher than the yearly total for all of 2009 (yes I know that was the recession year, but still...)
     
     
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Regarding the passenger stats, I think it's amazing how transborder has turned around from only a few years ago when it seemed like it was a fading sector, and Seattle/Bellingham were cannibalizing this market. The volume for the first 9 months of 2015 is already higher than the yearly total for all of 2009 (yes I know that was the recession year, but still...)
YVR has a very strong U.S. inbound market.

Combine the low CAD dollar which is attracting even more Americans to fly to BC and fewer Canadians crossing the border to fly out of BLI. BLI is expected to be down about 35% this year.

This helps explain the 8.7% surge in transborder traffic YTD at YVR.

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Old Posted Nov 5, 2015, 9:15 PM
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On Twitter YVR is having a poll...

"Which country would you like to see YVR add direct flights to next?"

Choices are Thailand or India.

Poll results as of now:

Thailand 63%
India 37%
     
     
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^^^ Really? India for sure. Must be a way higher O & D than Thailand?
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I guess because Thailand is more popular for tourists.
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On the topic of terminal expansion...

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Vancouver Sun: YVR eyes expansion as terminal approaches capacity

The Vancouver International Airport terminal will reach full capacity in about five years, according to current projections, and officials say 2016 will play a big role in determining how the facilities are expanded to meet demand.

The Vancouver Airport Authority said it will decide by the second quarter of 2016 how the passenger terminal will be expanded to increase its capacity from the current figure of 25 million passengers annually. The three options being explored include a westward expansion that includes a satellite terminal connected to the main terminal by a tunnel, a centralized expansion model and an eastward one.

YVR president and CEO Craig Richmond said a management team will be researching costs, environmental feasibility, effects on passengers, air-side logistics and other factors in the next four months before presenting a recommendation to the board. Richmond also noted it is crucial for YVR to stay ahead of the passenger growth curve to stay competitive.

“Because we don’t have a 10-million-persons city, we have to be more nimble, and we have to be more aware what customers want,” he said. “We don’t want to get to a place where we are overcrowded, because — let’s say you are flying through here from Shanghai to Dallas — you could choose somewhere else (to connect) pretty quickly if you thought we were overcrowded.”

YVR is projected to welcome 20 million passengers this year, a five-million increase since 1998. During the same period, the airport reduced the number of takeoffs and landings by 50,000 annually by attracting larger, more efficient aircraft. As such, Richmond said the airport will not be looking at a new runway “anytime soon.”

However, airport officials said a terminal expansion will likely require some new taxiways to reduce the travel time of planes between the gates and the runways. Richmond also said YVR is actively looking to engage transit authorities to enhance ground transportation to and from the airport, since an expanded terminal would bring more passengers, who in turn will increase the traffic burden on existing Metro Vancouver roads, rail, and bridges.

Regardless of terminal design, the construction will likely take place within the next two years, in a incremental fashion to avoid being caught in an economic/traffic downturn mid-process, he said.

“We’re looking ahead and saying, ‘Right now, yes, it looks like we’ll have 25 million by 2020, but if that slows down, we would like to be able to slow down the building program,’” Richmond said. “We always like to do things incrementally if we can. Instead of adding 20 gates at once, we’d rather add five, because that seems like a more prudent way to do it.”

To ensure people get their say, YVR has launched a public engagement program for its new master plan, which is due to be presented to Ottawa by December 2016. The other likely major project at the airport would be a geothermal facility to help heat and cool the terminal. The business case is set to be presented within months, Richmond said, with plans for it to be operational by 2020.

Major airports in Western Canada have been undergoing expansions in recent years, the most notable of which is the new international terminal at Calgary International Airport, slated for completion in 2016.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/eye...+approaches+capacity/11492942/story.html
     
     
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On the topic of terminal expansion...
Like I said earlier... Expect a few exciting announcements in the next twelve months

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Yes India would have a much bigger O&D than Thailand.

And the poll is now Thailand 62% India 38% ooooh big swing there.. LOL

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random question

Given that YVR - SAN, a seemingly profitable market, has been dropped by AC for some years, and never taken on by Westjet,..... is there the profit interest/ the market / the bilaterals / ... to allow Southwest Airlines to try? Seems a possibility. Maybe
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...gets-canadian-expansion/article20493147/
old news, yes, but hopefully still relevantOr perhaps not ...
Anyone know what did in fact become of this 2014 trumpeting?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ning-air-canada-westjet/article19783679/

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Xiamen has recieved CAAC approval to start service to YVR in July 4 times per week from XMN nonstop with the 788.
     
     
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Xiamen has recieved CAAC approval to start service to YVR in July 4 times per week from XMN nonstop with the 788.
Good stuff! And wait until YVR gets TWV clearance, and can take on major routes in the USA, Central America, and South America. Sodium on water.!
     
     
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Xiamen has recieved CAAC approval to start service to YVR in July 4 times per week from XMN nonstop with the 788.
Now just need to keep our eyes peeled for the Canadian approval.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/decisions

Definitely one of the many big announcements to expect in the next twelve months.

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Now I guess we will have to see about Hainan to Tianjin.

They applied before Xiamen and they are expecting to start in June... so also before Xiamen.

However, found this interesting story... the CAAC is "punishing" three airports in China due to chronic delays. One of these airports is TSN. According to this news item, CAAC is withholding any more new route approvals.... not clear how long being withheld for (it says for the month of October.) So also unsure if this will have any bearing on YVR-TSN on HU!?!?

http://www.wcarn.com/news/48/48251.html

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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 6:26 AM
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Is it possible for you to provide a source or attach a link?

Do you know if an application to the CAAC has been made?

Normally, if the CAAC publicly announce the application, there is a good chance approval is likely. Hence why I'm bullish on both Hainan and Xiamen.

I know CZ plan to start 4 weekly SZX -SYD soon.

A daily SZX - YVR would be a very bold move by them.
Hi, today the new route from SZX-YVR was signed during the BC delegation in ShenZhen. But not sure it is CZ or others.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 7:44 AM
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Excellent!

YVR-Beijing "check" Air Canada, Air China
YVR-Shanghai "check" Air Canada, China Eastern
YVR-Guangzhou "check" China Southern
YVR-Chongqing MISSING [new T3 being built, set to open late 2016. look for announcement close to then]
YVR-Tianjin "H1 2016" Hainan Airlines
YVR-Shenyang "check" Sichuan Airlines
YVR-Chengdu "check" Sichuan Airlines
YVR-Kunming "check" China Eastern
YVR-Shenzhen "H2 2016" TBD
YVR-Xiamen "Approved" Xiamen Airlines

All of China's top 10 cities/ports covered, with the exception of Chongqing. But as I mentioned, CKG is building a massive T3 that is set to open in late 2016. It WILL have significant International operations as CKG competes against Chengdu and Kunming for the rightful status as the nation's #4 airport gateway after PEK, CAN, and PVG. I say rightful because Chongqing is one of the 5 China National Cities (Shenzhen the other, along with the big 3) and Chongqing is one of the 4 municipalities (the other being Tianjin, along with the big 2). Chengdu and Kunming have amazing tourism markets, and Chengdu in particular has been capitalizing on Chongqing's 'slow' rise to prominence given that city's status of provincial capital (which used to govern the more populated Chongqing until 1997). Chengdu landed Air China and is the #2 hub, therefore it is very well connected Star Alliance and has made things difficult for Chongqing which needs to figure out who it wants to bed with. This will be easier once T3 is compete because it will be the largest and by far the most modern terminal in the interiour of China. China Southern has defacto hub or focus city ops in CKG (and Air China has focus city ops); I'd suspect China Southern to up CKG to full hub (likely its #2) but who knows if Air China will abandon or downsize Chengdu in favor of new digs at CKG? Chengdu knows its days are numbered, and area already planning a new airport to take over from Shuangliu. It's unknown if they will build a fortress, but given its history of utilizing all provincial resources to compete I'd expect it to be a player (hence hoping CKG gets China Southern instead of gaining then losing Air China). ...

sorry for the CKG-CTU mini-rant, but I think it gives a little bit of colour to aide my final thought: Vancouver will get YVR-CKG via China Southern; most likely announced when T3 becomes most complete and the govt/media is there to tout CKG's status as the biggest/best facility in China outside of (or better yet, on par with) the Big 3.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 7:57 AM
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Don't apologise at your "rant." Your insight is valuable and I think we are all learning a lot more about China's different regions. Just like Canada and Australia and pretty much everywhere else, airports and airlines competing all the time for a bigger share of the global air traffic market.

Also, like here, just because a city has a large population (or a perceived large population) does not necessarily mean there is a large air travel market attached to it. So again your knowledge is appreciated.

5 years ago I would have thought this would have been some sort of pie in the sky wish list... who would have thought!?

Still unsure exactly what this Shenzhen signing is. Cannot seem to get any more in depth info. Perhaps on the Premier's website in a day or two.

Is it a MOA type thing a la Kingfisher?
     
     
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Shenzhen is a Star Alliance hub, but Shenzhen Airlines does not have a suitable plane that can fly to North America. Maybe Air China? Air Canada??

At this rate, it won't be long till we got more destinations in China than domestic destinations outside of BC...
     
     
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Shenzhen announcement was about cleantech, no flight details (yet)
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2015PREM0084-001859
     
     
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Chengdu's new airport will be welcome. Their existing airport, Shangrilu (CTU), is fine, but rather tired. I flew through there in May for a conference on airport development, no less. CTU has a limited number of jet bridges, so even a major multiple-times-daily flight like CTU-HKG on Air China was from a remote stand. However it is definitely a busy airport with a very healthy mix of wide- and narrow-bodies and a surprising variety of international carriers. The terminal itself is pretty austere and there's a ways to go towards sufficiently catering to international non-Mandarin-speaking travellers who are used to travelling through international-calibre terminals. CTU is more of a domestic terminal that handles both international and domestic flights. In fact, it feels a lot like the older terminals of LAX with respect to interior dimensions, amenities, level of maintenance, and interior decor.

Very pleased to see positive momentum on YVR getting more regular flights to China's major and emerging markets. Pretty incredible time to be alive.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2015, 8:19 PM
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Thanks for the link. Yeah I didn't see anything about flights.

Hopefully get some more info.

I think if the rumour was for daily flights to start that would be overkill on that route. And it was to be on China Southern if it is happening.
     
     
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Thanks for the link. Yeah I didn't see anything about flights.

Hopefully get some more info.

I think if the rumour was for daily flights to start that would be overkill on that route. And it was to be on China Southern if it is happening.
Agree that's the most likely scenario, but it's worth noting that Shenzhen is also a hub for Hainan Airlines...
     
     
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