YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 406

trofirhen · #**8101** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 8:35 AM**

Hmmmm ... nice .... all that's missing is a fistful of South American and Southeast Asian destinations, and maybe Delhi, Melbourne, and Istanbul.

Klazu · #**8102** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by dharper

Is there anyplace I can find a recent drawing of the proposed expansions at YVR?

Last week I had the opportunity to visit the YVR corporate offices and they had this model in their lobby. I highlighted the planned new extension in red. All photos taken with a cell phone.

There is a model of the airport today on the observation platform.

Panorama from the domestic terminal observation platform. This was taken during noon, so there was not many planes in the bay.

Considering how beautiful the airport is, the flight control tower is an ugly beast.

Domestic terminal. The YVR corporate offices are located in that glass structure.

Waiting to board SkyTrain back to city.

nname · #**8103** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 7:23 PM**

Thanks for the photo.

I always wondered why the gate number in the international wing goes like 54-55-58-64-65. Now I understand, the number 59-63 are reserved for the 5 new gates in the planned expansion!

At least they don't need to renumber all the gates again until the new trans-boarder terminal

Klazu · #**8104** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 7:25 PM**

Yep. Of course this model does not show the planned brand new terminal to the east, but I don't know what is the timeframe for that. Like the area overview shows, another SkyTrain station makes sense once that terminal is built, as it will be far from the current terminals.

Johnny Aussie · #**8105** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 8:20 PM**

Thanks for sharing Klaus.

As Craig Richmond mentioned in his speech last week I think an expansion like this will be announced next year. As he said they have very big plans in the works.

I just don't think a 5 gate expansion is going to be enough

Minor transborder changes

UA is adding an additional flight (CR7s) to LAX on Saturdays during the peak Xmas period and also in February. An additional flight to DEN on Saturdays around Xmas peak is being added too. These extra services did not exist last winter.

AA has pushed back its third daily flight to PHX. The additional flight will now commence mid Feb and is scheduled to continue right through the summer again. Last winter the third daily flight wasn't launched until late spring. The route will then see one daily 320, one daily 319 and one daily CR9. Once the third flight is added the YVR - PHX route will be served by five daily flights on AA, AC and WS for the remainder of the winter.

DL to SEA will again see 5 daily over the peak Xmas period. A mix of E75s, CR7s and CR9s. The daily SLC flight will now be operated by an E75. SLC scheduled to ramp up to two daily again in the spring.

Looks like AA and DL are both maintaining double daily flights to LAX for most of the winter. AA had drawn down one its flights to five weekly for short periods but those seem to have been reversed.

Fact tidbit of the day: Once rouge ramps up its Hawaii schedules in mid Feb, YVR - Hawaii will be served by 61 flights per week - so most days will see a total of nine flights to HNL, OGG, KOA and LIH.

trofirhen · #**8106** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 8:45 PM**

https://youtu.be/fpqhvKrcHtw?t=2199

For those of you who skipped the Board Of Trade Speech by Craig Richmond some posts earlier, this is a segment from 38:00 minutes on.
You only need to watch 5 minutes of it (up to aout 41 mn) to get the scope that Mr. Richmond is thinking on.
Pret-ty ambitious !!!!

Johnny Aussie · #**8107** Posted **Nov 2, 2015, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

https://youtu.be/fpqhvKrcHtw?t=2199

For those of you who skipped the Board Of Trade Speech by Craig Richmond some posts earlier, this is a segment from 38:00 minutes on.
You only need to watch 5 minutes of it (up to aout 41 mn) to get the scope that Mr. Richmond is thinking on.
Pret-ty ambitious !!!!

I admire his ambitious vision. Having him at the helm is going to make things happen.... And he definitely is already making things happen.

Many factors are out of any airport CEO's control...both positive and negative.. But this guy has the best "can do" attitude. He is certainly not just sitting around watching other airports expand and grow as well. Proactive and ambitious. Love it!

Sounds like a few exciting announcements in the next 12 months.

Vagabond · #**8108** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 12:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

If I were to make realistic guesses I could see AC starting Frankfurt, Melbourne, and Guangzhao. Can't see many expansions within NA. With Rouge, maybe some leisure routes such as smaller asian cities like Nagoya. Cant see much more european expansion. I could realistically see a Delhi route as well on AC mainline.

I personally feel a YVR-DEL non-stop flight is an inevitability, now that AC has the 787-9. AC will wait a bit to see how YYZ-DEL does before launching from YVR, but I can see them announcing for W16/17 or W17/18. The economics never really made sense until now, but the 789 is perhaps the perfect plane for such a route, so there are now no more excuses.

The Chinese carriers will continue to undercut AC on price, but with travel time savings of 6-8 hours each way, I can see a non-stop flight being a massive hit. Plus for those of us who travel on to other cities in India, there will still be time savings, both in the air and on the ground (where immigration could be done at DEL during the layover).

The only real question would be whether such a route would be seasonal or year round (at least, in the short term).

That said, even now, there has never really been a better time to fly to India from YVR. There are so many different routing options (with immensely reasonable layover times) and prices have plummeted. It's now relatively common to see flights to most major Indian cities for under $1100 CAD (and even DEL for under $1000 sometimes), whereas just a couple of years ago, anything under $1500-$1600 was considered a steal. Compare that to flying to Ottawa or Montreal (which can easily cost $750+)!

Johnny Aussie · #**8109** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 1:14 AM**

Winter scheds are showing mainline E90s to YXY, YQR and YXE for some of the winter scheds coming up.

Klazu · #**8110** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 2:24 AM**

Why are we always talking about DEL when we are discussing connections to India? Is it the only Star Alliance hub in India or why is that specific airport so important?

yyc_engineer · #**8111** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 2:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Why are we always talking about DEL when we are discussing connections to India? Is it the only Star Alliance hub in India or why is that specific airport so important?

Majority of O/D between Lower Mainland and India is from Delhi or nearby states to the North. (Punjab, etc.)

FWIW DEL is not much of a Star Alliance Hub, and in fact AC 70/71 does not nicely connect to any outbound Air India flights. (probably done on purpose by AI to discourage people from using AC and instead encouraging flying on AI metal from LHR/FRA).

Air India's entrance to Star Alliance is relatively recent and now that AC flies direct Canada-India it's kind of an awkward relationship.

yyc_engineer · #**8112** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 2:50 AM**

I would like to see AC/ACR make YXX-YYZ year round and time it to connect seamlessly with AC 70/71. Then market it aggressively as the best (fastest/easiest/most relaxing/whatever) way to get from the Lower Mainland to India.

They should be able to get 50+ seats on YXX-YYZ continuing onto DEL

Klazu · #**8113** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 3:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

...in fact AC 70/71 does not nicely connect to any outbound Air India flights. (probably done on purpose by AI to discourage people from using AC and instead encouraging flying on AI metal from LHR/FRA).

Are you alluding that Air India would have that much influence on DEL slot times? I doubt they have scheduled all their own domestic flights not to connect well with two Air Canada flight. It might be more of a happy coincidence for them.

Interesting point about the YXX traffic.

nname · #**8114** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 3:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

I would like to see AC/ACR make YXX-YYZ year round and time it to connect seamlessly with AC 70/71. Then market it aggressively as the best (fastest/easiest/most relaxing/whatever) way to get from the Lower Mainland to India.

They should be able to get 50+ seats on YXX-YYZ continuing onto DEL

Not sure how it would be attractive though. For anyone in Surrey west of the ALR, it is actually faster to drive to YVR than to YXX. Plus there are up to 19 flights a day to YYZ to choose from at YVR, compared to 1 at YXX.

I wouldn't be too happy if the return flight from DEL got delayed and miss the only flight of the day to YXX...

Johnny Aussie · #**8115** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 3:51 AM**

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Traffic_Update_September_2015.sflb.ashx

Looks like August with lame growth was just a blip....

September is back to decent growth.

Led by a surge in Asia Pacific up 12.3%

Overall up 4.8% up 79,600
Domestic up 3.4% up 29,500
Transborder up 5.9% up 22,500
Asia Pacific up 12.3% up 29,000
Europe down 1.8% (scheduled up 2.7% though) down 2,800
Misc Int'l up 9.8% up 1,400

Total International up 6.4% up 50,100

If I were a betting man, YVR will almost certainly smash through 20 million pax this year.

YVR is already over 700,000 more pax YTD than the same period last year. Great result so far.

Gordon · #**8116** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 7:12 PM**

Did the modwls show any changes to the West jet Encore area. Ie would be nice if the were some type of cover that would extend ll the wy to the plane.

Klazu · #**8117** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 7:45 PM**

I am sorry, but I didn't pay attention to that.

nname · #**8118** Posted **Nov 3, 2015, 8:01 PM**

I think that model pre-date the creation of Westjet Encore. It still got the old A-B pier.

zahav · #**8119** Posted **Nov 4, 2015, 8:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Sounds like a SkyTeam Lounge is being planned for YVR.

Source - http://www.wcarn.com/news/48/48373.html

See the third to last paragraph.

SkyTeam carriers seem to have a long term growth plan with YVR.

So users would be KLM, Air France, China Airlines, Korean Air, China Eastern, China Southern, Xiamen and Aeromexico.

Also, Delta's seasonal flight to JFK departs after the transborder pre-clearance E gates close (I think around 9pm are the last flights on those gates). So that flight can also use this lounge, provided it stays open late (and it probably should stay open late, considering there will be very late night flights for Taipei (China Airlines), Shanghai (China Eastern), Mexico City (Aeromexico), and New York

Stanford85 · #**8120** Posted **Nov 4, 2015, 9:36 AM**

In regards to the Westjet encore area, i remember seeing this website for an architecture company a while ago which referred to a pier A commuter facility project at yvr. no dates or anything like that were given though, and the pictures predate the A-B connector so it might have only been an early design concept.

http://www.studioonearchitecture.ca/ (you'll find it under projects - airport and transportation, there's also some other misc projects listed there too like a new jetset parking facility)

the Pier A project above does seem to be present in all the slides of possible terminal expansions that craig richmond showed to the board of trade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqhvKrcHtw&t=37m10s (starting at 37:10)