PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

You'll find out on Hallowe'en. :-)

[pfrieden]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

Thanks for quoting me, but you should not have changed "Go Irish!" to "go owls." I'm an ND alum, so you shouldn't be surprised that I don't share your sentiments.

I'm sure there's a lovely South Bend development thread somewhere. Perhaps try that! #templemade

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by pfrieden

I'm sure there's a lovely South Bend development thread somewhere. Perhaps try that! #templemade

If there's anything of substance, it's on campus (and lots of it: http://architect.nd.edu). :-) The Bend has been a long time crawling out of the hole dug by Studebaker's closure in the 60's, but some interesting stuff is happening, to the extent that anybody cares about the third largest "city" in Indiana.

[ScreamShatter]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

ftfy



A 35k stadium makes a lot of sense for Temple. Our closest parallel here is probably Cincinnati: They have Nippert Field, which was recently expanded from 35k to 40k, and they probably host the *really big* games in the Bengals' stadium.

While I don't disagree that getting more faculty to live close to campus à la Penn is a good idea, keep in mind that Temple doesn't exactly have the resources to Penntrify their part of North Philly. That said, Francisville and Templetown are already starting to touch, and redevelopment is creeping from Front and Girard northwest. There's already an example of large new probably-for-profit rowhomes at 7th and Berks. Temple's main campus is feeling less and less like an island in North Philly with every passing year.

Probably the best thing the school can do, now, is simply open itself up to the neighborhood. In some ways, the sports superblock will make that harder -- but more important would be a long-term goal of structuring more parking and building more student housing on the lots. There's a lot to do but Temple's certainly proving itself an ambitious school.

If it's done right, it'll be great. In my opinion, traffic and parking must be addressed first. Gah -- I can only imagine the impact of a Thursday night game with Pedestrians crossing from Eastside of Broad (tailgating) to Westside of Broad (stadium), with rush hour traffic, and an extra 30k fans trying to drive down those tiny side roads and find parking. I mean, really really not good situation.

[hammersklavier]

Of note, here's Tulane's new Yulman Stadium superimposed on top of Geasey Field:



Yulman Stadium seats about the same as what Temple'll be looking for. So centering the field on the stadium site allows a 35k seat stadium that can be expanded to fill the site as demand merits. And remember, the stadium would come with a new athletics complex, too.

And of course, Temple, like any other school that shares a city with an NFL team, should have that team's facilities available to them for the really big games.

[brenster]

If we ever want to get an Olympic bid, we need more stadiums. this will be a net positive for the area as well. I'm in!

[Kidphilly]

on the stadium, given they have the Linc albeit to large is this the best use of their money. as it stands today its a 20 minute subway ride door to door and not sure this would be a huge economic boost. Not a naysayer and am excited for Temple this year and also they will have the live game day next Saturday which will actually broadcast from Independance mall, sort of interesting and a first for Temple I believe to host ESPN gameday (and ND doest hurt but great for them)


also on the hammer image can they move the stadium away from Broad to have gathering area there if it is built another thought could they get the Union to move there as would be cool to get more use out of it not ure the deal in Chester and how much the state poured into it

regardless I hope Temple continues to field quality teams and the area gets behind the program more, and a win against PSU and ND this year would be phenominal

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by Kidphilly

on the stadium, given they have the Linc albeit to large is this the best use of their money. as it stands today its a 20 minute subway ride door to door and not sure this would be a huge economic boost. Not a naysayer and am excited for Temple this year and also they will have the live game day next Saturday which will actually broadcast from Independance mall, sort of interesting and a first for Temple I believe to host ESPN gameday (and ND doest hurt but great for them)


also on the hammer image can they move the stadium away from Broad to have gathering area there if it is built another thought could they get the Union to move there as would be cool to get more use out of it not ure the deal in Chester and how much the state poured into it

regardless I hope Temple continues to field quality teams and the area gets behind the program more, and a win against PSU and ND this year would be phenominal

The stadium in the image is Tulane's Yulman Stadium. Before they moved into that facility a couple of years ago, they played in the Superdome, which, as you can imagine, came with the same problems that we have with the Linc. It's also an example of how you can fit a stadium in a constrained space.

Heck, if you look at Miami games these days, you can see the same problem: pro stadiums just have too much seating if your team ain't top-tier. And even though Temple's having a miracle year, we ain't top-tier.

[tsarstruck]

Originally Posted by brenster

If we ever want to get an Olympic bid, we need more stadiums. this will be a net positive for the area as well. I'm in!

We don't.

[Mappy]

This would be expandable (if programs grows or for Olympic Bid) and have plenty of parking. Could build some Girard Trolley extensions that go make a dedicated route straight from campus to the stadium. this would be an amazing music venue too with views of the river and a straight sight-line to the the William Penn Statue and Center City





I'd be up for an Olympic bid (if done right)

[iheartphilly]

Summersm, is any of the projects that you said you had knowledge of ready for announcement? If so, how imminent are the announcements?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

Summersm, is any of the projects that you said you had knowledge of ready for announcement? If so, how imminent are the announcements?

There are two projects total that I know of that have not been announced yet. I was told one would be announced by the end of the year. Guess we'll see! The second, I'm not sure on a time frame. Both have a residential component to it, but the first was entirely mixed use office, residential and retail. The other seemed to be majority residential/retail.

There is a third (Pearl Properties Broad and Locust) that we know about which I've seen prelim renderings for. I would imagine we would get news on this soon - in fact I'm surprised we have not already. The design looked to be 35+ floors and 400+ feet with ground floor retail and a mix of hotel and residential.

[Human Scale]

Originally Posted by tsarstruck

We don't.

It would be an honor to host the Olympics.

[tsarstruck]

Originally Posted by Human Scale

It would be an honor to host the Olympics.

It would be a gigantic waste of money, which is what cities across the world from non-autocratic nations are finding out. It's why Boston backed out. It's why LA is now seeking a waiver exempting them from any of the inevitable cost overruns before agreeing to take their place as a candidate. I don't want to derail the conversation into what a boondoggle that almost all Olympics (minus Barcelona and 1984 LA) are, but if we're making planning and funding decisions based on hoping to one day maybe host the Olympics, we're making mistakes on two levels. [/ENDRANT]

Anyway, the Temple football stadium is definitely not being built with an eye towards the Olympics. It seems ridiculous to me on a variety of levels and is a huge gamble, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

[summersm343]

Refined design for new LOVE Park

The project team behind the new LOVE Park / JFK Plaza spent summer putting a fine point on details for the new vision of the old plaza. The designers presented these refined details – a fully-developed version of a concept first released this spring – at a public meeting Monday evening, and the final design for the park will go before the Art Commission on November 4th.

When JFK Plaza / LOVE Park reopens in 2017 after a complete overhaul, Robert Indiana’s LOVE sculpture will be restored and reinstalled in nearly the same spot. Joining LOVE will be a new piece of public art that uses the saucer-shaped Welcome Center building’s ceiling as its canvas. The saucer itself will support a food and beverage operation and reclaim its identity as a light, luminous pavilion. The powerful geyser at the plaza’s heart will be reinterpreted as a slimmer two-part water feature on axis with the Parkway.

http://planphilly.com/articles/2015/10/26/refined-design-for-new-love-park

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by summersm343

There are two projects total that I know of that have not been announced yet. I was told one would be announced by the end of the year. Guess we'll see! The second, I'm not sure on a time frame. Both have a residential component to it, but the first was entirely mixed use office, residential and retail. The other seemed to be majority residential/retail.

There is a third (Pearl Properties Broad and Locust) that we know about which I've seen prelim renderings for. I would imagine we would get news on this soon - in fact I'm surprised we have not already. The design looked to be 35+ floors and 400+ feet with ground floor retail and a mix of hotel and residential.

Thanks...and good to know. We'll keep our fingers crossed on them.

[Outta here]

Summers ; Thanks for posting those great renderings of love park/ JFK plaza . The redesign is a
hands down winner and I guess we can only hope it is approved by the Art Commission on the 4th.

[Sgalla04]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Refined design for new LOVE Park

http://planphilly.com/articles/2015/10/26/refined-design-for-new-love-park

The welcome center caught on fire last night. I wonder if this will affect demo plans.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Fire_damages_welcome_center_at_LOVE_Park.html

[1487]

Originally Posted by summersm343

There are two projects total that I know of that have not been announced yet. I was told one would be announced by the end of the year. Guess we'll see! The second, I'm not sure on a time frame. Both have a residential component to it, but the first was entirely mixed use office, residential and retail. The other seemed to be majority residential/retail.

There is a third (Pearl Properties Broad and Locust) that we know about which I've seen prelim renderings for. I would imagine we would get news on this soon - in fact I'm surprised we have not already. The design looked to be 35+ floors and 400+ feet with ground floor retail and a mix of hotel and residential.

When I walked past broad and locust last week I saw numerous contractors out front and I saw they were erecting some scaffolding on the back. I suppose the garage has to be largely demolished floor by floor due to the site constraints. It's probably going to take quite a while to get rid of that eyesore.

[boxbot]

Originally Posted by Sgalla04

The welcome center caught on fire last night. I wonder if this will affect demo plans.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Fire_damages_welcome_center_at_LOVE_Park.html

That's too bad. The renders make it look like this building was a complete gut except for the structure itself, though, so I doubt this will change anything. Heck, maybe it will move up the timeline for the renovation!