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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 7:29 PM
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Seriously? That is a pretty low threshold for banning ain't it. I get banning someone for being profane or disrespectful...but isn't he just voicing an opinion?

Have been following this thread for a long time...let's get it back on track (pun intended) and put aside the unnecessary banning.
Alphadoodle was Ridgerunner. He was first warned about his behaviour in this thread, and when he continued to post the same comments, he was told he was not to post in this thread any more. His reaction to this was to create a new account and post anyway. 3 strikes you're out is not a low threshold.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 8:34 PM
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I assume the stations will get a cleaning before they open? I'm a little surprised there's water pooling on the roof of Coquitlam Central already...

As for the Evergreen Extension naming fiasco. It's messy for sure, but it's an accurate reflection of local politics and project progression...
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 9:08 PM
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anyone have any photos of the OMC? i am curious about it and haven't seen anything in documents or anything about it. i don't even know where it will be going, (i know very little about the tri-cities), or how large it will be. ie, # or cars/trains it would hold.

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As for the Evergreen Extension naming fiasco. It's messy for sure, but it's an accurate reflection of local politics and project progression...
maybe its just a decal and it is temporary for the beginning? we can always hope.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 9:28 PM
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anyone have any photos of the OMC? i am curious about it and haven't seen anything in documents or anything about it. i don't even know where it will be going, (i know very little about the tri-cities), or how large it will be. ie, # or cars/trains it would hold.



maybe its just a decal and it is temporary for the beginning? we can always hope.
This is the location: https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2769953,-122.8164575,176m/data=!3m1!1e3
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 10:15 PM
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anyone have any photos of the OMC? i am curious about it and haven't seen anything in documents or anything about it. i don't even know where it will be going, (i know very little about the tri-cities), or how large it will be. ie, # or cars/trains it would hold.
Luckily I live about 10 minutes away. Sometime this week I'll walk down and see if I can take any pictures.


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maybe its just a decal and it is temporary for the beginning? we can always hope.
Let's hope it's just a temporary name.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2015, 10:59 PM
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The glass on Lincoln Station looks pretty good:


From: http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit
     
     
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Really disappointed about the "Evergreen Extension" signage. Why complicate things if you don't have to? The same line doesn't need more than one name. Just makes it all messy.
What's messy was naming the Millenium Line from Waterfront to VCC / Clarke at all, therefore it overlapped the existing Expo stations and made it appear longer than what it really is for political reasons. But we can live with that IF the Evergreen Line received the same treatment, naming it from Douglas College to VCC / Clarke while it overlapped the existing Millenium Line stations. Then don't stop the "Millenium Line" at Production but make it go all the way to Arbutus.

But alas, someone in Translink wants to waste more time and money and decided to rename a bunch of things, like Expo to Production Way and all that crap. I dunno why they have to make things complicated, but that is the way it is now.

I think "Evergreen Extension" is an acceptable compromise, and its the second best after "Evergreen Line" for Douglass to VCC / Clarke. Evergreen Line is not the "same line" ever since someone decided that it would be phase 2 of some project. Even back then, as Skytrain it was referred to as the "PMC Line", and would have been separated (LRT was "Coquitlam Line"). Had it been built at the same time as the original Millenium Line, then it would be the same line.
     
     
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What's messy was naming the Millenium Line from Waterfront to VCC / Clarke at all, therefore it overlapped the existing Expo stations and made it appear longer than what it really is for political reasons. But we can live with that IF the Evergreen Line received the same treatment, naming it from Douglas College to VCC / Clarke while it overlapped the existing Millenium Line stations. Then don't stop the "Millenium Line" at Production but make it go all the way to Arbutus.

But alas, someone in Translink wants to waste more time and money and decided to rename a bunch of things, like Expo to Production Way and all that crap. I dunno why they have to make things complicated, but that is the way it is now.

I think "Evergreen Extension" is an acceptable compromise, and its the second best after "Evergreen Line" for Douglass to VCC / Clarke. Evergreen Line is not the "same line" ever since someone decided that it would be phase 2 of some project. Even back then, as Skytrain it was referred to as the "PMC Line", and would have been separated (LRT was "Coquitlam Line"). Had it been built at the same time as the original Millenium Line, then it would be the same line.
Adding signage to the Expo stations when the M-Line opened made sense because both lines shared the same track for that distance. It is both E-Line and M-Line and it did not make the line artifically longer. Shared track is often displayed like this around the world.

Keeping the Evergreen brand would only make sense if trains were being split at Lougheed and Columbia was the terminus for the M-Line.

What we have here is really strange...

If they really wanted to keep the name Evergreen so much they should have just renamed one of the stations as Evergreen. Maybe Douglas, that way trains can say M-Line to Evergreen.

Or at the very least call it M-Line, Evergreen Branch. Extension is such an odd choice of word...
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 2:51 AM
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What's messy was naming the Millenium Line from Waterfront to VCC / Clarke at all, therefore it overlapped the existing Expo stations and made it appear longer than what it really is for political reasons. But we can live with that IF the Evergreen Line received the same treatment, naming it from Douglas College to VCC / Clarke while it overlapped the existing Millenium Line stations. Then don't stop the "Millenium Line" at Production but make it go all the way to Arbutus.

But alas, someone in Translink wants to waste more time and money and decided to rename a bunch of things, like Expo to Production Way and all that crap. I dunno why they have to make things complicated, but that is the way it is now.

I think "Evergreen Extension" is an acceptable compromise, and its the second best after "Evergreen Line" for Douglass to VCC / Clarke. Evergreen Line is not the "same line" ever since someone decided that it would be phase 2 of some project. Even back then, as Skytrain it was referred to as the "PMC Line", and would have been separated (LRT was "Coquitlam Line"). Had it been built at the same time as the original Millenium Line, then it would be the same line.
I don't know it does not look all that complex in comparison to other places where you have more than one line share some stretch of track.
     
     
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I don't know it does not look all that complex in comparison to other places where you have more than one line share some stretch of track.
I think as we get more lines and they go further it will make more sense. Pre-Canada Line, with only Expo and Millenium, it was cheesy to have them share 50% of the track and appear to loop around each other.

The recent Expo failures show the need for separate lines, and another route downtown (via Millenium to Cambie and a Canada Line connection).
     
     
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For the third time, in three weeks, the TBM has simply ceased operating.

On Wednesday, the site closed up, no activity at all, no spoils, no trucks. And ... someone posted a "this is where we are now" PDF on the web site.

This is not a tirade (as some would call my postings) but a simple question.

Does anyone actually know what is really going on?

The tunnel will go through, no question. With 550 meters to go, and the alignment along Clark road from now on, if the TBM simply goes away, they could finish the job with cut and cover.

I just don't get this routine. Why dig for 5 to 6 days, then close up for three.

I thought a TBM was 24/7 until it is done.
Not to kick a dead horse, or raise something from the grave (but it is Halloween)...

I would guess that they don't have the staff to run the TBM 24/7 for an indefinite period of time. To fully staff a 24/7 crew rotation (complete with scheduling trucks to pick up debris) can be expensive, and quite complex. It's hard to get that rotation scheduled with a minimum number of people. You often need part time on call employees to fill in the gaps, and in a skilled field for a difficult task that can be hard, expensive, or impossible.

Now you want the machine to be running as much continuously as much as possible, but you can afford to hire basically 6 different cews plus 6 part time crews for weekends.

So there are typical rotations used in certain industries where people work a long period on, and a long (but shorter) period off (to get around labor laws and minimize overtime). If you are not using a full overlapping crew, then there will be periods in your rotation where you have no crews available. So you shut down for a few days.

It is cheaper to work them to death for short bursts, than keep the machine humming non-stop. And it is cheaper to shut down for fewer but longer periods, than shutting down every night and all weekend (like a typical 2 shift factory).

I have some family members that have worked on some big, remote projects in the interior, and they had long times of being away from home working (like 3 weeks), and then a week off. And they would just shut the whole thing down for a week here and there rather than coming up with a bunch of difficult to manage rotation shifts to keep it running 24/7.

I'm not saying I have some kind of knowledge regarding this tunnel, but what I am saying is that the management of complex projects, large work forces, and complicated machines, is an expertise that is beyond the grasp of most people (including me) posting on this forum. So it is hard, if not impossible, for us to judge if they are actually doing a good job or not, or if the original estimates were just low-balled and inaccurate or not.

For all we know, the work slow downs could be due to the lack of qualified employees available in the region, or maybe the flu even made it's rounds. It's not the kind of job you can fill by calling a temp agency.
     
     
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If it were up to me, I'd have the same 3 proposed lines, but I'd have:

Waterfront - King George: Expo Line
Waterfront - Production Way: Millennium Line
VCC - Douglas: Evergreen Line

But I don't mind the extension names. Why not? We don't have to do everything the same way they do it in London or Tokyo or NYC.

Also, There will one day (hopefully?) be a branch to Poco to be taken into account.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2015, 4:24 AM
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If it were up to me, I'd have the same 3 proposed lines, but I'd have:

Waterfront - King George: Expo Line
Waterfront - Production Way: Millennium Line
VCC - Douglas: Evergreen Line
But to keep consistency, the Canada Line would've been 2 lines - one to the airport, and one to Richmond. So we would have 5 lines in total
     
     
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So the only way to get to Coquitlam from Waterfront is to transfer somewhere along the Millennium Line to the Evergreen Line? No option of getting of a direct train?
     
     
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So the only way to get to Coquitlam from Waterfront is to transfer somewhere along the Millennium Line to the Evergreen Line? No option of getting of a direct train?
From Waterfront you would need to transfer at Commercial-Broadway or Lougheed Town Centre.
     
     
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so the only way to get to coquitlam from waterfront is to transfer somewhere along the millennium line to the evergreen line? No option of getting of a direct train?
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Well they're drilling today and they were yesterday, not sure about Saturday,Friday,etc.

I was looking at the tunnel location map from Oct 21st. Add on a few days drilling and they are likely about only 100m or so from the next checkpoint at Robinson Street(!).

Then once it restarts only 400m to it surfaces!

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Saw the sign at Lougheed station for the new platform (platform 3), confirm that its for the "Millennium Line Evergreen Extension" train to Lafarge Lake-Douglas.
     
     
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Saw the sign at Lougheed station for the new platform (platform 3), confirm that its for the "Millennium Line Evergreen Extension" train to Lafarge Lake-Douglas.
Maybe they plan to run trains from Waterfront to the Evergreen extension.
     
     
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Maybe they plan to run trains from Waterfront to the Evergreen extension.
Trains from Waterfront will be exclusively EXPO line trains.

Once they arrive at New West - Columbia, most will continue to King George as normal on the Expo mainline.

However, 1/3 or 1/4 of the Expo trains leaving Columbia will go to Lougheed and Production via Braid (acting like a branch line) to become a 'shuttle' between the Expo mainline and the Millennium mainline.


Millennium trains will run between VCC and Lougheed (as they do today) and then continue on the new evergreen extension to Douglas/Lafarge. They will be labelled as Millennium trains for the entire trip.

There isn't going to be an 'evergreen train', or an 'evergreen line'
There won't be an 'evergreen train' running on the expo mainline

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