Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[Express691]

Saw a photo on Instagram of a B-car MK3 on a flatbed truck in Beaverton, ON.

If you want to search it, search #SkyTrain

[red-paladin]

Personally I think that there should be 4 lines:

Canada Line, Expo Line (Waterfront to King George), Millennium Line (Waterfront to Production Way), Evergreen Line (VCC to Douglas - Lafarge Lake)

[Hot Rod]

I'm not complaining about having 3 lines, I was mainly just asking the question for clarification.

[officedweller]

From the general transit thread - MKIIIs on the road in Ontario!!

TransLink Instagram:


https://instagram.com/p/83eDBEQn-8/

By DEATHTobaggan on imgur (sorry for the mega size images):

Here's an "A" or "B" car with cab at one end:



Here's a middle "C" car with no cab at either end:

[SpongeG]

from facebook today - lincoln station in coquitlam






www.facebook.com/evergreenline

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by officedweller

From the general transit thread - MKIIIs on the road in Ontario!!

TransLink Instagram:

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https://instagram.com/p/83eDBEQn-8/

By DEATHTobaggan on imgur (sorry for the mega size images):

Here's an "A" or "B" car with cab at one end:

[IMG]...[/IMG]

Here's a middle "C" car with no cab at either end:

[IMG]...[/IMG]

Half a MkIII train heading west?

Two cars on their way, just 26 more to go!

[AMTDGT]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Half a MkIII train heading west?

Two cars on their way, just 26 more to go!

Translink tweeted a similar picture this am. I'm no expert on anything but I know a little about a lot. I assume the 3 units arrive in a week (October 22), it will take 2 weeks to assemble them (November 5), three weeks to play with and test the new train set (November 26), an extra week to get the politicians together for a photo op (December 3), a few days fudge time and we will see the first set in operation for Monday December 7 rush hour.

Most of you folks know more than me. Am I close or am I smoking some of the 1960's stuff the politicians I am not voting for have said they are going to legalize.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

www.facebook.com/evergreenline

Off-topic, but I though the top of MThree tower was supposed to be yellow/golden. Looks plain dark.

[Metro-One]

Happy to see some station photos.

After so many years of talk it is amazing to actually see things come together.

This project and the Trump Tower are two that I am still amazed have actually seen the light of day.

[Ridgerunner]

This TBM is fun to watch.

Last weekend, the TBM was shut down for 36 hours. Now, it has been shut again for 24 hours.

I figured out that last weekend was Thanksgiving. Okay, reasonable.

But what is this shut down about?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Off-topic, but I though the top of MThree tower was supposed to be yellow/golden. Looks plain dark.

Better pics of M3 here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7190511&postcount=3165

[Sheba]

Last week's map showed the TBM at Ingersoll Ave and this week's shows it at Glenayre Dr - so about 110m in a week. From there to Kemsley Ave (TBM breakthrough) is about 550m.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by AMTDGT

Translink tweeted a similar picture this am. I'm no expert on anything but I know a little about a lot. I assume the 3 units arrive in a week (October 22), it will take 2 weeks to assemble them (November 5), three weeks to play with and test the new train set (November 26), an extra week to get the politicians together for a photo op (December 3), a few days fudge time and we will see the first set in operation for Monday December 7 rush hour.

Most of you folks know more than me. Am I close or am I smoking some of the 1960's stuff the politicians I am not voting for have said they are going to legalize.

minor detail:
there are four cars per train in the MkIII sets.

We need to scout some locations with good views of the OMC yard to watch them test the train after it arrives.

[jsbertram]

It looks like we're lucky to be getting our new MkIII cars sorta-on-time.

"The TTC is on track for a court battle with Bombardier because of delays delivering the city’s new streetcars.

TTC officials say Bombardier told them only 16 streetcars will be delivered and on the streets by the end of 2015, instead of the 23 promised in July."

more:
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/16/new-ttc-streetcar-shipments-delay-again

[officedweller]

Apparently their Flexity streetcars have a number of customizations - not sure though, if those are the cause of the delays.

[GeeCee]

Can you guys please keep the MKIII discussion to the main transit discussion thread? It's not really that relevant to the Evergreen Line project.

[red-paladin]

I do agree with this.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

This TBM is fun to watch.

Last weekend, the TBM was shut down for 36 hours. Now, it has been shut again for 24 hours.

I figured out that last weekend was Thanksgiving. Okay, reasonable.

But what is this shut down about?

For those of you who are still watching the TBM, I have noticed a routine by translink.

Just before they shut the TBM down for Thanksgiving, they posted a "where is the TBM now" notice.

The TBM is shut down again and, sure enough, there was a new Oct 15th "where is the TBM now" posting just before it happened.

There must be a whole lot of "planned maintenance" going on.

They are about 600 meters from the breakout so we will get the tunnel, this year or the next (or the next after that).

What is interesting to me is the calm acceptance not only of the delays but also of the "benign patter" (read "government generated pablum") that we all are fed and are supposed to accept.

The upshot is, of course, that we are not going to make the "early 2016" opening date for the system. We are about one year late and that very real fact is what seems to be ignored by everyone.

The implications of this mismanagement is that it can cast a pall on future TBM/line extension projects.

That does worry me. I, like some of you, would like to see an integrated RR system running across much of the Lower Mainland.

Many people, in order to "say something" so that they can be heard, will pick on this delay in the future to oppose a good RR system and substitute some brain dead "cheaper alternative".

This TBM management is an issue, now and in the future.

[red-paladin]

1) Relax
2) Unless another tunnel through Burnaby mountain is needed, I don't see the connection. A bored tunnel for the Broadway extension faces different geological conditions.
3) This was not gross mismanagement and propaganda. This is a tunneling project with substantially more difficulty than expected, even though due diligence was taken.

[Large Cat]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

For those of you who are still watching the TBM, I have noticed a routine by translink.

Just before they shut the TBM down for Thanksgiving, they posted a "where is the TBM now" notice.

The TBM is shut down again and, sure enough, there was a new Oct 15th "where is the TBM now" posting just before it happened.

There must be a whole lot of "planned maintenance" going on.

They are about 600 meters from the breakout so we will get the tunnel, this year or the next (or the next after that).

What is interesting to me is the calm acceptance not only of the delays but also of the "benign patter" (read "government generated pablum") that we all are fed and are supposed to accept.

The upshot is, of course, that we are not going to make the "early 2016" opening date for the system. We are about one year late and that very real fact is what seems to be ignored by everyone.

The implications of this mismanagement is that it can cast a pall on future TBM/line extension projects.

That does worry me. I, like some of you, would like to see an integrated RR system running across much of the Lower Mainland.

Many people, in order to "say something" so that they can be heard, will pick on this delay in the future to oppose a good RR system and substitute some brain dead "cheaper alternative".

This TBM management is an issue, now and in the future.

You're warning us that this sort of "mismanagement" of projects may lead to people "picking on" this delay in the future in order to oppose Skytrain extensions or what have you. But your post reads like so many of the newspaper articles pre-referendum, where delays (e.g. Compass) were pointed out as something that could possibly lead to bad PR. If you look back at those many articles in the Sun, Province, 24 HRS, Metro, CKNW, etc., few to none of them actually stated that Translink had a PR/trust problem already. Some of the reporters writing those articles probably actually did care about Translink and the future of transportation planning in the region, and wanted to call to account whichever leaders they could find over the delays. But the effect of those articles, and of rhetoric like yours, which has an admirable goal, was nevertheless to create an accumulation of warnings about bad PR which at some point turned into actual bad PR just through the magnifying power of the news media. At some point public speculation and commentary on transit in Metro Vancouver switched from warnings to statements of fact about the "public impression" of Translink, and at that point CTF/Automotive/Provincial representatives were able to jump in and begin character assassination of Translink using actual false facts about efficiency, etc., despite the fact that many of these voices were behind the projects that were delayed and the executive culture of Translink's board and so on.

My point to you, Ridgerunner, is that now that this character assassination has happened, there is no point in warning anybody anymore that Translink or whomever could have reputation problems in the future. The reputation problems have already been fabricated and continued criticism is only going to contribute to the hype. In other words, shut up and be thankful the Evergreen Line is still coming. Save your words to argue for the necessity of future projects that aren't already approved or under construction.