Canada Election 2015 - Page 115

Acajack · #**2281** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Growing up catholic in 1950s Montreal, my mother's teachers all looked like this at her boarding school:

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Evidently my mom did not become a nun.

I am still not sure any of this was a good thing though!

ssiguy · #**2282** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:01 PM**

Quebec is the real mystery in this election.

How they could go from a near one-man show to a legitimate race between the parties is really quite remarkable.

The most intriguing trend is the resurgence of the Bloc. In most of the country seats are usually a battle between 2 dominant parties and there are relatively very few legitimately 3-way races but Quebec seems to be full of them. The Bloc may only have one seat right now but that is very deceptive as it is running a very solid 2nd place in many ridings and it won't take much of a surge in their support or a decline in other parties to see the Bloc reap the windfall.

This is particularly true because they, like the Conservatives have the overwhelming amount of their support outside Greater Montreal.

What will be very interesting to see is if the NDP continues to shed votes and seats in La Belle Province and the Bloc pulls off 10 or more seats {which is they could very easily do} is the Liberals being able to pull down a Tory minority government with solely the support of the Bloc and Elizabeth May.

Nouvellecosse · #**2283** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by topdog

Discomfort is a gray area. Like you said, there are many other things that could cause discomfort, and there is already is precedent how that is handled. People not bathing, or women wearing clothes that are too revealing for example have been dealt with. My father in law worked with woman who wouldn't bathe, and she was eventually let go. Of course that was 25 years ago, but still.
You can call it prejudice all you want, but I don't want to work with someone who's face I can't see, regardless of the reasons. It's not fair to me if I can see their faces when having a work related conversation with them.

Can you elaborate as to how seeing someone's face is related to the concept of fairness? Like someone mentioned earlier, you can't see the other person's face when having a work related conversation over the phone (or email or instant messaging). In fact, I worked from home for over 2 years and the main method of communication with other staff was instant messaging through a VPN. I'm sure there were drawbacks and limitations to communication compared to talking face to face, but I never felt like I was being treated unfairly.

I have to wonder how much such discomfort is related to being confronted with something so different from what one is accustomed to.

Dmajackson · #**2284** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Just looking over my voter information card.

My poll is literally across the street. Just curious how far you guys are from yours? Anybody have one really inconvenient?

My e-day station is about a 5-minute walk away on the main drag but I have to work that afternoon and given the high concentration of seniors in my immediate area I don't want to go early since it will be busy.

Instead I think I'll vote this Friday or Monday in the advanced poll which is conveniently on my way to work.

Acajack · #**2285** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Was there any doubt?

Does that make Irshad Manji automatically racist and islamophobic then?

MolsonExport · #**2286** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

How do they feel about face veils?

Well, that is a bit more sensitive, but they are of the notion that our perception is not necessarily reality. Perhaps coercion but not necessarily coercion.

Unless it is a safety issue (driving a car, security at the airport, etc.) I would rather give the benefit of the doubt to those wearing the niqab/veil. In my classes, I have a couple of graduate students that wear some form of veil (and many others with a headscarf), and it makes no difference to me whatsoever.

There was a time when, upon the death of their husband and thereafter, many women would dress like this.

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Acajack · #**2287** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

Quebec is the real mystery in this election.

How they could go from a near one-man show to a legitimate race between the parties is really quite remarkable.

The most intriguing trend is the resurgence of the Bloc. In most of the country seats are usually a battle between 2 dominant parties and there are relatively very few legitimately 3-way races but Quebec seems to be full of them. The Bloc may only have one seat right now but that is very deceptive as it is running a very solid 2nd place in many ridings and it won't take much of a surge in their support or a decline in other parties to see the Bloc reap the windfall.

This is particularly true because they, like the Conservatives have the overwhelming amount of their support outside Greater Montreal.

What will be very interesting to see is if the NDP continues to shed votes and seats in La Belle Province and the Bloc pulls off 10 or more seats {which is they could very easily do} is the Liberals being able to pull down a Tory minority government with solely the support of the Bloc and Elizabeth May.

Have you ever dated someone from Quebec? Québécois people are generally open to, um... trying different things. This applies to various aspects of their lives.

geotag277 · #**2288** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Does that make Irshad Manji automatically racist and islamophobic then?

Argument from Dave Chappelle. KKK isn't racist because they have black members.

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Regardless, it is about human rights, not necessarily racism and Islamophobic .

Acajack · #**2289** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Well, that is a bit more sensitive, but they are of the notion that our perception is not necessarily reality. Perhaps coercion but not necessarily coercion.

On this matter, I suspect there is a good amount of what I might call, for lack of a better term, "legacy coercion".

geotag277 · #**2290** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:08 PM**

Quick video about my local candidate who I will likely be voting for.

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Acajack · #**2291** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by geotag277

Argument from Dave Chappelle. KKK isn't racist because they have black members.

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Jesuschristalmighty...

Acajack · #**2292** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by geotag277

Quick video about my local candidate who I will likely be voting for.

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Pretty inspiring guy. What are his chances?

Deepstar · #**2293** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:12 PM**

It seems like there are two different arguments going on here regarding the niqab. Some are against it because of female oppression and some don't like it because the face is covered.

Those that are not opposed to it seem to simply dismiss those that are, as being prejudiced or discriminatory. That's very simplistic.
I think there are valid reasons for not wanting people's faces covered in the workplace at least.

It's not restricting someone's right to practice a religion, as they don't have to have their face covered to practice their religion. That's been well documented a million times over. It's a choice (whether it's made by the woman or their husband/father) and in the end it comes down to restricting someone's freedom to dress a certain way. We already have that today. A woman can wear whether she wants in her home or on the street, but it's always different in the workplace.

Acajack · #**2294** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:12 PM**

Hey, DrNevergold (Brandon716) never did come back, did he...

ssiguy · #**2295** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:14 PM**

One thing that has taken me by complete surprise in the surge in support of the Liberals in BC. BC has always been more of a Conservative/NDP split as the province is very politically polarized and probably more so than any other province.

The NDP has always been very strong in Victoria and the Island and some key working class sections in Greater Vancouver. The Tories conversely usually dominate everything from NuWest to the Alberta border. The Liberals only ever had a decent chance in some Vancouver city seats and a couple ones in the suburbs.

The Liberal rise in the province at the expense of both the Tories and NDP is truly a first in the province and is quite surprising. I don't think anyone {including the Liberals themselves} saw this coming.

Acajack · #**2296** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:14 PM**

Totally OT but one thing I find interesting is the hijab (head scarf) worn by young women who are also wearing very tight jeans or pants (often with, ahem, "cameltoe")... you see that a lot these days.

My wife jokingly refers to it as "The Post-Modern Look of the 21st Century"

kwoldtimer · #**2297** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Does that make Irshad Manji automatically racist and islamophobic then?

Not at all, imho. She has views that are worthy of discussion. As do many other people, none of whom speak for the entire Muslim community (it would be so helpful if Islam had a pope!).

MolsonExport · #**2298** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I still find it odd how the issue is seen by some as a women's right's issue. I mean, people are seriously suggesting that we'd be giving women more rights by taking away their right to choose? Seems like the literal definition of irony...

The best argument on this issue, hands down.

topdog · #**2299** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:23 PM**

If I worked from home over a VPN it wouldn't matter obviously as I'm not working with the person face to face. I manage quite a few people and deal with them face to face all the time. I pay attention to the facial expressions of co-workers, reports and superiors whenever I'm face to face with them. It's very important to me and my job. Which is why I have that opinion.

I should clarify that I don't mean the niqab shouldn't be worn at any job anywhere, just public service jobs that require facetime on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Can you elaborate as to how seeing someone's face is related to the concept of fairness? Like someone mentioned earlier, you can't see the other person's face when having a work related conversation over the phone (or email or instant messaging). In fact, I worked from home for over 2 years and the main method of communication with other staff was instant messaging through a VPN. I'm sure there were drawbacks and limitations to communication compared to talking face to face, but I never felt like I was being treated unfairly.

I have to wonder how much such discomfort is related to being confronted with something so different from what one is accustomed to.

kwoldtimer · #**2300** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Have you ever dated someone from Quebec? Québécois people are generally open to, um... trying different things. This applies to various aspects of their lives.

True, as long as the rest of the herd is in step, anything seems possible.