Canada Election 2015

[Migs]

Originally Posted by socialisthorde

Took about ten seconds on the google. There are many more. And before you ask, I have a Ph.D. Not that any of this really matters, but it is a good retort to the typical conservative accusation that progressives are naive or in some way too stupid to understand the basic principles of economics. Might be that we are smart enough to recognize that economics is a tool, not a guiding philosophy for governing. In any case all of this applies to averages and I know from reading the posts here that there are many very intelligent conservatives and ...

Stankov (2009). Conservatism and cognitive ability, Intelligence 37 (2009) 294–304.

"Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States' universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores
correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project. They also correlate with components of the Failed States Index and several other measures of economic and political
development of nations. Conservatism scores have higher correlations with economic and political measures than estimated IQ scores."

Interesting, lots of varying opinions & studies out there. This one was interesting from CNN.


Liberals
Let's look at education. The 2010 CNN election exit polls shows that 58% of college graduates voted Republican with 40% voting Democrat. This 18% point margin strongly proves that Republicans are more educated even with the recognized common knowledge of liberals being "career students" instead of entering society to be a productive member.
http://lnk.co/G033Q

Now, let's look at professions according to the 2010 NY Times results.
Physicians, Doctors and Dentists: 31% conservative, 17% liberal.
Scientists: 32% conservative, 20% liberal.
Building Managers: 32% conservative, 10% liberal.
Officers: 29% conservative, 10% liberal.
Graders and Sorters: 35% conservative, 10% liberal.
Religious Workers: 46% conservative, 15% liberal.
And to no surprise the professions that are more liberal include professors, authors, artists, journalists, social fields and of course bartending.
http://lnk.co/G033R

What about success from intelligence? Again let's look at the CNN results.
People earning over $100,000: 58% Republicans, 40% Democrat..
http://lnk.co/G033Q
Wait! What about I.Q.?
According to this study Republicans have the higher I.Q.
IQ Men (Women)
Republican 100.0 (99.1)
Democrat 97.3 (98.1)
Independent 94.4 (92.5)
http://lnk.co/G032M

[Spliff]

Originally Posted by Migs

Interesting, lots of varying opinions & studies out there. This one was interesting from CNN.


Liberals
Let's look at education. The 2010 CNN election exit polls shows that 58% of college graduates voted Republican with 40% voting Democrat. This 18% point margin strongly proves that Republicans are more educated even with the recognized common knowledge of liberals being "career students" instead of entering society to be a productive member.
http://lnk.co/G033Q

Now, let's look at professions according to the 2010 NY Times results.
Physicians, Doctors and Dentists: 31% conservative, 17% liberal.
Scientists: 32% conservative, 20% liberal.
Building Managers: 32% conservative, 10% liberal.
Officers: 29% conservative, 10% liberal.
Graders and Sorters: 35% conservative, 10% liberal.
Religious Workers: 46% conservative, 15% liberal.
And to no surprise the professions that are more liberal include professors, authors, artists, journalists, social fields and of course bartending.
http://lnk.co/G033R

What about success from intelligence? Again let's look at the CNN results.
People earning over $100,000: 58% Republicans, 40% Democrat..
http://lnk.co/G033Q
Wait! What about I.Q.?
According to this study Republicans have the higher I.Q.
IQ Men (Women)
Republican 100.0 (99.1)
Democrat 97.3 (98.1)
Independent 94.4 (92.5)
http://lnk.co/G032M

Then how does this explain all the conservative red neck uneducated Albertans, mining their black gold. It doesn't make sense - it doesn't fit into the "national narrative".

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

Candidate has now been dropped by the party.

How many more candidates will get dropped in the next two weeks?

As many as drop the normal mask and let the Tory crazy peak out. Dropping a candidate doesn't change the fact that the Conservatives attract people like that.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by whatnext

As many as drop the normal mask and let the Tory crazy peak out. Dropping a candidate doesn't change the fact that the Conservatives attract people like that.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...comments/article26382290/?service=mobile

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/l...light-after-old-offensive-tweets-surface

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/5837558-liberal-candidate-drops-out-over-facebook-posts

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8193280

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.ht...telling-pope-to-go-f-yourself-in-a-tweet

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/7973876

http://www.truenorthtimes.ca/2015/10/06/...-johnstone-surface/#.VhSUmM_7-OB.twitter

Whoops!

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The niqab issue isn't really a left vs. right issue. At least not from where I stand. Most people I know are left or centre-left and all of them are against the niqab in official proceedings. This includes all of the feminists I know.

IMO the niqab issue is one of these "we're a blank slate, bring your own culture" vs "no, we actually DO have a pre-existing culture" type of situation.

[SignalHillHiker]

They're really coming out swinging here. Hey Rosetta, Danny, and now Mary. Good on her!

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[MonctonRad]

It's interesting that even in our own internal SSP poll (at the top of the page), that the reviled and despised Tories are now in 2nd place ahead of the NDP.

How could Mulcair have fallen so far, so fast????

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by lio45

IMO the niqab issue is one of these "we're a blank slate, bring your own culture" vs "no, we actually DO have a pre-existing culture" type of situation.

I think the left/right thing will ultimately break down into nationalist versus globalist as the left concentrates on identity issues while remaining essentially liberal-capitalist-with-safety-net and the right veers away from the neoconservative movement towards cultural protectionism and skepticism regarding unelected (UN/EU/IMF etc.) consensus.

Harper is a throwback.

[Bcasey25raptor]

12 days to go.

I'd be curious to hear the prediction of fellow members.

I'm still saying the Tories will win a small minority However the Liberals are making gains.

[SignalHillHiker]

I'm over hope. Conservative majority. And still not a single candidate here.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's interesting that even in our own internal SSP poll (at the top of the page), that the reviled and despised Tories are now in 2nd place ahead of the NDP.

How could Mulcair have fallen so far, so fast????

Easy. Anyone but Harper. Having moved his platform towards the centre, there was not much distance, ideologically, socially and economically, between Mulcair and his NDP, and Trudeau and his Liberals.

Many of us in the centre and left have made the decision to vote strategically.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Migs

Interesting, lots of varying opinions & studies out there. This one was interesting from CNN.


Liberals
Let's look at education. The 2010 CNN election exit polls shows that 58% of college graduates voted Republican with 40% voting Democrat. This 18% point margin strongly proves that Republicans are more educated even with the recognized common knowledge of liberals being "career students" instead of entering society to be a productive member.
http://lnk.co/G033Q

Now, let's look at professions according to the 2010 NY Times results.
Physicians, Doctors and Dentists: 31% conservative, 17% liberal.
Scientists: 32% conservative, 20% liberal.
Building Managers: 32% conservative, 10% liberal.
Officers: 29% conservative, 10% liberal.
Graders and Sorters: 35% conservative, 10% liberal.
Religious Workers: 46% conservative, 15% liberal.
And to no surprise the professions that are more liberal include professors, authors, artists, journalists, social fields and of course bartending.
http://lnk.co/G033R

What about success from intelligence? Again let's look at the CNN results.
People earning over $100,000: 58% Republicans, 40% Democrat..
http://lnk.co/G033Q
Wait! What about I.Q.?
According to this study Republicans have the higher I.Q.
IQ Men (Women)
Republican 100.0 (99.1)
Democrat 97.3 (98.1)
Independent 94.4 (92.5)
http://lnk.co/G032M

What a load of horseshit.
And the links are broken.

Funny how Pew Research (and just about every other respectable polling/research organization) reports the opposite.

Education. Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%). Across all educational categories, women are more likely than men to affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic. The Democrats’ advantage is 35 points (64%-29%) among women with post-graduate degrees, but only eight points (50%-42%) among post-grad men.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Procrastinational

It's a bit of a grey area. It's obviously not a physical science like chemistry or physics, but it's more of a science than most of the social sciences, like sociology or anthropology. I'd almost consider it more of a mathematical/statistical field considering that most work in economics these days involves empirical analysis of endless sets of data.

The main argument against economics being a science is that it relies tremendously on assumptions to simplify the analysis, namely that humans are perfectly rational. This is obviously not the case, but I don't think it necessarily disqualifies economics as a science all together. Physics also relies on a lot of assumptions, and it is certainly a science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

Either way... For a quasi-science, economics certainly involves a lot of math. And for the most part, the simplified models give us a reasonable understanding of how the economy works, and fit the data quite well. They even have a fair bit of predictive power (one of the hallmarks of a science).
The problem arises when we get into the much more complex models. That's when all those assumptions start to cause a problem.

Science isn't a topic, it is a philosophy about epistomology; an orderly, objective approach to developing theory, testing hypotheses with rigorous methodologies, and gathering evidence. When applied to business, it is often referred to as "evidence-based management"

[flar]

Originally Posted by geotag277

While I'm no fan of the Conservatives preoccupation with ethnic-oriented divisive politics, I find it hard to fault the political reaching out to certain demographics who do not feel represented in certain issues and attempting to provide a motivation to vote a certain way through said representation. At the end of the day, that is really what we are talking about here.

It reminds me of all the hatred towards Fox News, which isn't even that old by the way. Before Fox News came along, people seem to assume that the demographics who watch Fox News didn't exist, which is absurd. The popularity and success of Fox News shows that there are large swaths of people who want to be pandered too in the manner that Fox News operates and targets.

At the end of the day, the problem is not Fox News, or that the Conservatives use these divisive issues as a political tool - as much the problem really is that there are people out there who don't agree with you, don't think the same way you do, and don't come to the same conclusions regarding these issues. You may even think they are ignorant, uneducated, and/or not qualified to vote. But the existence of these people isn't going away just because we change government, and it isn't the government's job to remove these people from the voting population by ignoring what they think or what they have to say, and no one in a democracy is judge jury and executioner for who is smart enough to vote/who is too ignorant to vote.

If you have a problem with the way large swaths of Canadians think, that's a larger issue than a government reaching out to represent them. It is not Fox News which is the "problem", it is the conditions that allow Fox News to continue to exist and be widely successful.

The Conservatives aren't representing these people. They are cynically exploiting them to gain votes. Just because xenophobia exists, doesn't mean it's fair game to use it as a political tool. That's socially and ethically irresponsible. It's in the same category of exploitation as getting people hooked on cigarettes or gambling. I could be a very rich man if I didn't have a conscience. And that's just the point. I don't want to live in a mean, free for all society where everything is up for grabs. I enjoy being part of a safe and civilized society. And that's what people don't understand, there is a very fine line, and we could lose the very thing that makes Canada a great country.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's interesting that even in our own internal SSP poll (at the top of the page), that the reviled and despised Tories are now in 2nd place ahead of the NDP.

How could Mulcair have fallen so far, so fast????

Interesting to note that Mulcair's "Best PM" number with Nanos dropped to 19% yesterday - the lowest since April 10.

And this: (translated)

OPERATION "SAVE THE FURNITURE" AT NDP
VINCENT MARISSAL
LA PRESS

....

The issue of the niqab has become so heavy that some NDP candidates, this is particularly true in Quebec, have voluntarily stopped going door-to-door after the Radio-Canada-debate, two weeks ago, because they could no longer take hearing about this facial veil.

......

http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/2beae598-bab2-459c-83f5-27ccaf3db43b%7C_0.html

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

I think the left/right thing will ultimately break down into nationalist versus globalist as the left concentrates on identity issues while remaining essentially liberal-capitalist-with-safety-net and the right veers away from the neoconservative movement towards cultural protectionism and skepticism regarding unelected (UN/EU/IMF etc.) consensus.

Harper is a throwback.

I hope not! That will make me even more politically "homeless" than I am already.

[kool maudit]

It is already happening. In France, the Front National combines an anti-immigration platform with tax rises for the wealthy and welfare for the poor. This is a nationalist party. In the US, the Democrats combine international capitalism and the projection of military force (such as Obama's drone programs and Hillary Clinton's adventure in Libya) with support of social issues involving racial minorities, gay people and transgendered individuals. They are a globalist party.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

It is already happening. In France, the Front National combines an anti-immigration platform with tax rises for the wealthy and welfare for the poor. This is a nationalist party. In the US, the Democrats combine international capitalism and the projection of military force (such as Obama's drone programs and Hillary Clinton's adventure in Libya) with support of social issues involving racial minorities, gay people and transgendered individuals. They are a globalist party.

I fully realize that I am just denying the inevitable.

[travis3000]

Today's NANOS daily tracking has a tightening race for the past two sessions. Liberals only TWO points ahead of the Conservatives now nationally. Tories have been trending up since the weekend. Atlantic Canada still has a firm Liberal lead, with Conservatives in 2nd place. Quebec has the NDP leading, Liberals in 2nd, Conservatives in 3rd. In Ontario, Liberals lead Tories by only 2 points. A very tight race here. Out west its a firm Conservative lead. And Liberals now lead BC.

NDP remains firmly in 3rd place with only 23% support.

Very interesting stuff guys!

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/...onservatives-ndp-9-points-back-1.2598851

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

It is already happening. In France, the Front National combines an anti-immigration platform with tax rises for the wealthy and welfare for the poor. This is a nationalist party. In the US, the Democrats combine international capitalism and the projection of military force (such as Obama's drone programs and Hillary Clinton's adventure in Libya) with support of social issues involving racial minorities, gay people and transgendered individuals. They are a globalist party.

So, France's Front Nationale Party is both nationalist and socialist. Let's see - was there a similar party in a European neighbour about 75 years ago that caused lots of problems for the world???