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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 3:26 PM
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Off Hanover

I say "Off" is also a great connotation as in up and coming and a bargain. Who doesn't want a bargain? So the lesson here gentlemen is there is more than one way to skin a cat. Keep an open mind. We will have to agree to disagree. Peace, out!
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 5:40 PM
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Wow, you guys sure are nitpicky. 11 posts on whether or not it should be On or Off Mill. I really don't think a potential tenant is really going to say, "OMG! The sign says On Mill! I'm not moving here!"
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 6:37 PM
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I'd like sprinkles ON ice cream rather than OFF ice cream.
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 8:13 PM
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I'd like sprinkles ON ice cream rather than OFF ice cream.
I don't see why we should make that distinction sprinkles off ice cream is perfectly reasonable.
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 6:52 PM
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Site work started at The Jefferson this morning (just south of In-N-Out).

Bummer for those that had Tempe Town Lake/State Farm views from their NorthShore condo's.
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 7:04 PM
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Work is also suppose to start soon on the Playa Office Midrise. It will be nice to see that part of the shore built out. With the Lakeside apartments across the street I still wonder what will become of the site west of Rural where that mega development was proposed.
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 7:54 PM
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Work is also suppose to start soon on the Playa Office Midrise. It will be nice to see that part of the shore built out. With the Lakeside apartments across the street I still wonder what will become of the site west of Rural where that mega development was proposed.
Hopefully said mega-development.
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 8:46 PM
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Work is also suppose to start soon on the Playa Office Midrise. It will be nice to see that part of the shore built out. With the Lakeside apartments across the street I still wonder what will become of the site west of Rural where that mega development was proposed.
Where did you hear about the Playa Midrise?? That was supposed to be 10 stories total if I recall correctly. I think 3-4 of parking then office above?
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 12:41 PM
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Site work started at The Jefferson this morning (just south of In-N-Out).

Bummer for those that had Tempe Town Lake/State Farm views from their NorthShore condo's.
Ugh! More generic boring apartments. Sad to see such great lakefront property go to something so boring, such a waste!
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 2:02 PM
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I have sources...I drove by the Jefferson last night and can confirm they have started site work. Generic yes, but again I am more excited by the future population density and what other projects will come when the neighborhood "matures."
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 4:08 PM
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Ugh! More generic boring apartments. Sad to see such great lakefront property go to something so boring, such a waste!
Generic apartments on the water?

you mean like in LA, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Miami ad infinty
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 5:55 PM
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Generic apartments on the water?

you mean like in LA, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Miami ad infinty
None of the cities you mention have such a spectacular waterfront than Tempe. Not one of 'em!

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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 7:37 PM
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Ugh! More generic boring apartments. Sad to see such great lakefront property go to something so boring, such a waste!
Jefferson is denser than the tower that was proposed on the lot before it.

Onyx was 200 units, Jefferson is 256.

http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/tempe/articles/0505tr-lakecondos0505Z10.html

http://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=28740

It'll also put people on the ground, rather than empty-nesters slowly dying off while they enjoy the view.

I surmise Jefferson gets the density by putting much of its parking underground, and Onyx had a separate structure.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 8:23 PM
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Jefferson is denser than the tower that was proposed on the lot before it.

Onyx was 200 units, Jefferson is 256.

http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/tempe/articles/0505tr-lakecondos0505Z10.html

http://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=28740

It'll also put people on the ground, rather than empty-nesters slowly dying off while they enjoy the view.

I surmise Jefferson gets the density by putting much of its parking underground, and Onyx had a separate structure.
Keep in mind though, The Jefferson is mainly studio and 1/2BR apartments. I'm pretty sure Onyx was more 2 and 3br type condos. So the average square footage of a unit at The Jefferson is much less than that of Onyx. That explains the drastic difference in height. More dense, sure, that's fair to say depending on how you look at it.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 8:23 PM
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None of the cities you mention have such a spectacular waterfront than Tempe. No one of 'em!
yes the spectacular FDR 6 lane highway of http://friskypics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fdrdrive.jpg

all the dazzling feats of architecture along Lakeshore Drive: http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/451/279451.jpg

and the incredible masterpieces of Miami: http://www.sunny-isles-beach.com/images/aerial_beach.jpg


there is nothing wrong with generic apartments. The only thing better about these waterfronts is the height, but we don't need the height here...not yet anyway
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 8:26 PM
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Water front condos/apts

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yes the spectacular FDR 6 lane highway of http://friskypics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fdrdrive.jpg

all the dazzling feats of architecture along Lakeshore Drive: http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/451/279451.jpg

and the incredible masterpieces of Miami: http://www.sunny-isles-beach.com/images/aerial_beach.jpg


there is nothing wrong with generic apartments. The only thing better about these waterfronts is the height, but we don't need the height here...not yet anyway
Totally concur Obadno.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 9:29 PM
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Keep in mind though, The Jefferson is mainly studio and 1/2BR apartments. I'm pretty sure Onyx was more 2 and 3br type condos. So the average square footage of a unit at The Jefferson is much less than that of Onyx. That explains the drastic difference in height. More dense, sure, that's fair to say depending on how you look at it.
Nope--Onyx was surrounded by a lot of low-rise or no-rise uses. Jefferson is uniformly dense.



You can still see the lot layout of Onyx's parcels where it was supposed to go on Google Maps.

Notice how it barely covers the site.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 10:24 PM
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Nope--Onyx was surrounded by a lot of low-rise or no-rise uses. Jefferson is uniformly dense.



You can still see the lot layout of Onyx's parcels where it was supposed to go on Google Maps.

Notice how it barely covers the site.
"Nope" what? You are defining density by building footprint. If you look at by # of residents for the lot size the numbers should be very similar since Jefferson has more units, fewer beds, while Onyx has fewer units, more beds.

If you are looking at number of residents vs building footprint, I'd argue you are still wrong because the footprint of Onyx is smaller (just as you stated) with just as many if not more residents.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2015, 11:46 PM
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"Nope" what? You are defining density by building footprint. If you look at by # of residents for the lot size the numbers should be very similar since Jefferson has more units, fewer beds, while Onyx has fewer units, more beds.

If you are looking at number of residents vs building footprint, I'd argue you are still wrong because the footprint of Onyx is smaller (just as you stated) with just as many if not more residents.
My mistake--I didn't know that Onyx's number of beds was known, when it's in the damn doc I linked (i didn't think they'd have onyx's site plans in there and all that)

But that also implies that Onyx's bedrooms would've been full of people, which I doubt. I don't see a married couple with a child buying a two bedroom in Onyx, I would have more seen empty nesters wanting room to entertain, or rich single professionals wanting an office.

Then you have units that take time to sell while they're vacant, and still more units that are perpetually empty as second-homes or are owned by rich Chinese/foreign investors that don't even care about the rental income like you see all the time in SF, and the occasional corporate owner that has their visiting employee stay there for a bit but not full-time.

And I maintain that you're more likely to see Jefferson residents wandering around Mill getting drunk or otherwise supporting local business than you would Onyx residents. Condos like that are good for "lock and leave."
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2015, 12:18 AM
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And I maintain that you're more likely to see Jefferson residents wandering around Mill getting drunk or otherwise supporting local business than you would Onyx residents. Condos like that are good for "lock and leave."
I don't necessarily disagree with that idea. Just pointing out that that while The Jefferson has 265 dwellings, 40 are studios and 123 are one bedroom. The reason I pointed that out is because I recalled that for this project there was an extremely high number of 1BR/Studios and I thought it was very unusual.
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