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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 10:45 AM
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That's actually.... not bad at all.
Looks like another job for Keith and his Cat 8
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This would have been done years ago, had someone told the Premier the VG Hospital was actually located on a ferry boat in Digby and replacing it would not only save lives, but prop up the south shore Bed and Breakfast industry.
Now that's funny!
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Looks like another job for Keith and his Cat 8
Nah - though I suspect the vertical metal siding will be dented and disfigured by graffiti vandals before long in that neighborhood. It must be part of hipsterville now - look at that 2-person bike!
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Interesting to hear the mention of a Billion dollars. There are only 10 units in the VG; most of the buildings are taken up by offices and clinics (and the surgeries). Building ten units on top of the Infirmary emergency Dept can't be all that much. The new hospital in Colchester was under 200 million. Many offices and clinics can use rental space in the community.
Time to get it done.
It will cost more than you think. Health care is like the military. A hammer from Canadian Tire might cost $10, but if it is built to medical grade specifications, the cost will be $100.

I admit that I have not done a cost analysis on how much expanding the Infirmary would be, but at a start I'm sure you're talking about a half billion. It would surely be at least double the cost of the new Colchester Hospital. You also have to factor in the cost of all new equipment (take my word for it, for the most part they won't simply relocate the old equipment from the VG. If it's anything like the Moncton Hospital, a lot of the equipment is already 15-30 years old and sorely needs to be replaced).

I appreciate your comment about relocating clinics and offices to rental spaces in the community, but there are reasons for co-locating such resources in the hospital. Most of the VG physicians are hospital specialists and need to be close to the nursing units, as well as to the clinics, the ambulatory care centre and the ER and operating room. All of this should also be moved to the Infirmary site. It will be a massive undertaking, and if you want to make sure you don't have to do it again in 50 years time, any construction should be of the highest quality.

I would say $600-800 million easy to fix this mess.........
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 8:19 PM
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1 new hospital in T.O. just cost 1.7 billion to build...
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2015, 1:17 AM
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It will cost more than you think. Health care is like the military. A hammer from Canadian Tire might cost $10, but if it is built to medical grade specifications, the cost will be $100.

I admit that I have not done a cost analysis on how much expanding the Infirmary would be, but at a start I'm sure you're talking about a half billion. It would surely be at least double the cost of the new Colchester Hospital. You also have to factor in the cost of all new equipment (take my word for it, for the most part they won't simply relocate the old equipment from the VG. If it's anything like the Moncton Hospital, a lot of the equipment is already 15-30 years old and sorely needs to be replaced).

I appreciate your comment about relocating clinics and offices to rental spaces in the community, but there are reasons for co-locating such resources in the hospital. Most of the VG physicians are hospital specialists and need to be close to the nursing units, as well as to the clinics, the ambulatory care centre and the ER and operating room. All of this should also be moved to the Infirmary site. It will be a massive undertaking, and if you want to make sure you don't have to do it again in 50 years time, any construction should be of the highest quality.

I would say $600-800 million easy to fix this mess.........
Health care costs in this Province are absolutely insane. Absolutely out of control.

Perhaps if we capped registered nurse salaries to prevent nurses from earning $100,000-$300,000 via overtime from a $60K base salary, we may save a few... hundred million that could contribute to the VG fund.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2015, 2:12 AM
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Great idea... Cap nurses salaries... Hello nursing shortage... Who in their right mind would work extra hours and not be properly renumerated for their efforts? We don't have enough nurses to do the work needed, hence the crazy salaries that you see.
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Great idea... Cap nurses salaries... Hello nursing shortage... Who in their right mind would work extra hours and not be properly renumerated for their efforts? We don't have enough nurses to do the work needed, hence the crazy salaries that you see.
Yes, cap the overtime pay, not the salaries. Yes, you cap overtime pay for registered nurse salaries and that will allow LPNs to pick up the slack. They're usually better and more efficient, more reasonably paid, and without the ridiculous overtime pay based on bloated CBAs. Moreover, it's much preferable to hire more LPNs, rather than having a few nurses working ridiculous overtime hours. Allowing such ridiculous overtime claims distorts the policy challenge; cap overtime hours, and then you'll see the hiring need more clearly, and also provide better care.
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Yes, cap the overtime pay, not the salaries. Yes, you cap overtime pay for registered nurse salaries and that will allow LPNs to pick up the slack. They're usually better and more efficient, more reasonably paid, and without the ridiculous overtime pay based on bloated CBAs. Moreover, it's much preferable to hire more LPNs, rather than having a few nurses working ridiculous overtime hours. Allowing such ridiculous overtime claims distorts the policy challenge; cap overtime hours, and then you'll see the hiring need more clearly, and also provide better care.
Not a health care person, but as i understand it that's whats been happening. Doctor shortages have caused things formerly done by dr's to be done by RN's and RN work to be done by LPN's.

Hospitals are expensive, and sadly are filled with people who really shouldn't be in hospital, but don't have elsewhere to go. Home Care, Assisted living and Nursing homes are more appropriate long term care, that can then free up hospital beds.

Hospitals only source of funding should be payment for services. Service should be marked up, and the profit reinvested to improve service at the hospital. that changes the budget exercise to how do i treat more patients, from how do i do everything with the pool of money.

Note, i dont think this will be cheaper, but will result in better outcomes for patients (As money will be spent on process and technology improvements). Also I am not advocating private care, where you pay a portion of the bill. this is a return to the Public Health insurance system.
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Not a health care person, but as i understand it that's whats been happening. Doctor shortages have caused things formerly done by dr's to be done by RN's and RN work to be done by LPN's.

Hospitals are expensive, and sadly are filled with people who really shouldn't be in hospital, but don't have elsewhere to go. Home Care, Assisted living and Nursing homes are more appropriate long term care, that can then free up hospital beds.

Hospitals only source of funding should be payment for services. Service should be marked up, and the profit reinvested to improve service at the hospital. that changes the budget exercise to how do i treat more patients, from how do i do everything with the pool of money.

Note, i dont think this will be cheaper, but will result in better outcomes for patients (As money will be spent on process and technology improvements). Also I am not advocating private care, where you pay a portion of the bill. this is a return to the Public Health insurance system.
I was actually at a meeting with one of the VPs of the NS Health Authority early this week, and we got chatting about healthcare costs. The breakdown, interestingly, is that it is about 1/3 apiece for physician fees, operating hospitals, and buying drugs etc.

If you look at the year over year healthcare costs for roughly 2000-2010, it was about 7% a year, and NS was pretty indicative of the national trends. There is a NS Dept of Health report that shows that if that rate continued that every single drop of provincial revenue would have gone to healthcare by something like 2024. Because of that, however, healthcare budgets the past few years have been almost flat. Parts of the system are still costing more (and one can debate whether that is acceptable or not), and so what that has meant is other parts of the system suffer. Given that health authorities legally are barred from running deficits and from carrying any debt, this is how we end up with crumbling infrastructure. Health authorities cannot build new infrastructure. Only the government can. But no politician wants to touch replacement of the VG with a 10 foot pole because there is massive pain to be had trying to fund that, while it is almost certainly a different government who will someday stand in front and cut the ribbon. Meanwhile administrators at the health centres are trying to deal with a public who understandably wants access to the best and most modern healthcare that they can get, while dealing with the fact that there is no additional money to do so.

People at the health centre who 5 years ago probably had never heard of an Incremental Cost Effectiveness Ratio are now walking around mumbling about how the ICER for therapy must be evaluated relative to standard of care bla bla bla. I actually don't think that that is a bad thing, but regardless it is certainly a big change.

It is easy, and understandable, to point to large union negotiated contracts as "the thing" that is the issue in our system. The bigger picture, however, is that there needs to be more public engagement and decisions made as a society as to what is the amount we are willing to pay for an incremental quality of life year? Is it $10k per patient per quality of life year? $100k? $500k? It is exactly that information that can, should, and will guide administrative decision making when it comes to spending money on healthcare. That is where the onus needs to start being on the users (us) to decide how much we are willing to let these end of life decision affect the budget. Doing so has a far greater impact on our provincial budget than whether we can afford a new CT scanner.
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$111,000,000 to Northern pulp; $40,000,000 to Nova Star; that sure starts adding up to getting rid of a condemned hospital.
Interesting: population of Yarmouth County is about 25,000; if the Nova Star $ was split among the population, that's $1,600 for each person, that would help the economy.
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Incredibly annoying, useless, and yet, so predictable. Did I mention how much I loathe Nova Scotia provincial governments? Of all stripes?

Ignorant, lazy, corrupt, cheap, dumb, low-brow, entitled, anti-Halifax, anti-youth, anti-creativity, anti-innovation, anti-change, anti-downtown, anti-any-useful-idea, and pro-anything-to-help-themselves. Literally, all the same too. Every party.

Did I miss anything?
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 9:49 PM
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Made a rare visit to Bayers Lake today and was surprised to see some rather major-looking renos underway to the former Zellers/Target location there. I haven't heard any rumors about a prospective tenant so I wonder what's up? Could this be a new Canadian Tire Store?

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Old Posted Oct 5, 2015, 10:32 PM
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Made a rare visit to Bayers Lake today and was surprised to see some rather major-looking renos underway to the former Zellers/Target location there. I haven't heard any rumors about a prospective tenant so I wonder what's up? Could this be a new Canadian Tire Store?

Canadian Tire has named this as one of their new locations.
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I hope that doesn't spell the end for the Quinpool location. They don't tend to have a huge density of stores.
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I hope that doesn't spell the end for the Quinpool location. They don't tend to have a huge density of stores.
Clayton Park store to move there
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Well that's actually a lot better then! Much better than the trend of everything moving from urban or suburban areas out to the power centres.
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Kingston is Poised to get some new high rises...including the Capitol...which is supposed to be 18-20 floors, and located between Princess Street and Queen Street over top of the former Capitol Theatre...
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