Canada Election 2015 - Page 13

kwoldtimer · #**241** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 4:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Aylmer

If the CBC reports anything about the Liberals, it's PROOF of the LEFT WING MEDIA MUSLIM SYNDICALIST AGENDA!!!

That said, I'm still really happy to see concrete and positive numbers for the CBC (and the left wing media muslim syndicalist agenda). The LPC has managed to hit on a good number of my landrylist items: Democratic reform, infrastructure/transit, CBC, Senate, Provincial cooperation, etc.). The only thing I'd still like to see is something on intercity rail, but that's more of a nice-to-have for me.

I'll be voting Liberal this time with a smile on my face (hasn't always been the case!).

Anticipatory thread sarcasm, I take it?

Aylmer · #**242** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 4:56 PM**

Yes. I figured I should be the first one to bring it up

MonctonRad · #**243** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by geotag277

National parmacare and national daycare are the two initiatives that I strongly agree with from Mulcair. We should be talking about these things. So much so that I don't mind that he doesn't have the costs totally figured out.

As a Progressive Conservative, I'm strongly in favour of a national pharmacare program, especially for catastrophic illness. I also give qualified support for a national daycare program, but it would have to be a shared cost model (with parents) and implemented in such a way that it is not overly expensive.

geotag277 · #**244** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Big fan of the CBC, are we?

I'm pretty indifferent. I see the advantages of having a publicly funded broadcaster, but it seems to me this particular institution has been mismanaged under Harper and previously. It seems to me we should be staffing this organization with broadcasters and executives with media creation and distribution experience, not lawyers and career politicians.

It seems CBC has made a bunch of dumb moves lately and their digital media strategy is a disaster, pulling rights from under companies like Netflix and others.

It's an organization that needs to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the stone age into the modern age to be effective. I think it's a bit disingenuous for Harper to continually defund CBC based on his own management failures, I can tell you that. But I don't necessarily agree that throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around is really the answer.

MonctonRad · #**245** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

The Liberals have just announced an additional $150M of annual funding for CBC/Radio Canada

Well, with this news, I'm sure the CBC will redouble it's efforts to dig up every potentially embarassing videoclip in it's archives in order to shaft the Tories. They might even completely give up their sham of "media impartiality".........

CanSpice · #**246** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Well, with this news, I'm sure the CBC will redouble it's efforts to dig up every potentially embarassing videoclip in it's archives in order to shaft the Tories. They might even completely give up their sham of "media impartiality".........

Hahaha Aylmer was right!

jmt18325 · #**247** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migs

Look at the history of the Liberal party, higher taxes.

Jean Chretien? No

Paul Martin? No

jmt18325 · #**248** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

The Liberals have just announced an additional $150M of annual funding for CBC/Radio Canada, along with other additional amounts for public arts/culture institutions.

That's what I don't get about the Liberals - why? That's really not what the government should be doing.

Aylmer · #**249** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

Hahaha Aylmer was right!

Crazy is like surfing a wave: if it washes over you, it can drown you, but if you can get ahead of it, it's a lot of fun

jmt18325 · #**250** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by geotag277

National parmacare and national daycare are the two initiatives that I strongly agree with from Mulcair. We should be talking about these things. So much so that I don't mind that he doesn't have the costs totally figured out.

I agree with you on the first...not so much the second. The two would cost probably $10B a year. I don't mind shared medical care, but I'm not even sure if I'll have kids, and if I do, it'll be 1.

Acajack · #**251** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Aylmer

I'll be voting Liberal this time with a smile on my face (hasn't always been the case!).

And I know a big reason why! Wink! Wink!

kwoldtimer · #**252** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

That's what I don't get about the Liberals - why? That's really not what the government should be doing.

A Liberal (and most liberals) believes that it is EXACTLY what the government should be doing, among many other things.

Acajack · #**253** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

That's what I don't get about the Liberals - why? That's really not what the government should be doing.

Matter of opinion.

artvandelay · #**254** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

Jean Chretien? No

Paul Martin? No

As a socially liberal and fiscally conservative minded voter, I would have loved to see the Liberals run on a platform of fiscal prudence similar to Martin and Chretien. Given the poor performance and general populist idiocy exhibited by the Conservatives during this majority mandate, I was looking for any reason to vote Liberal.

Unfortunately they've decided to run on the left rather than the centre, with proposed economic policy that reads like an afterthought. Thus I'm forced to begrudgingly vote for the status quo.

kwoldtimer · #**255** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by artvandelay

As a socially liberal and fiscally conservative minded voter, I would have loved to see the Liberals run on a platform of fiscal prudence similar to Martin and Chretien. Given the poor performance and general populist idiocy exhibited by the Conservatives during this majority mandate, I was looking for any reason to vote Liberal.

Unfortunately they've decided to run on the left rather than the centre, with proposed economic policy that reads like an afterthought. Thus I'm forced to begrudgingly vote for the status quo.

How so?

geotag277 · #**256** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I agree with you on the first...not so much the second. The two would cost probably $10B a year. I don't mind shared medical care, but I'm not even sure if I'll have kids, and if I do, it'll be 1.

By the same token, if you don't have kids, once you yourself graduate, investment in education doesn't directly benefit you so why bother funding it?

There are economic benefits to having a national child care program, including freeing up healthy young intelligent members of society for returning to work in productive roles and reducing the costs of existing childcare programs to put more money into other parts of the economy.

There is some precedent for these types of programs actually paying for themselves economically.

http://www.cirano.qc.ca/icirano/public/pdf/20101202_P-Lefebvre_2.pdf

I'm not sure Mulcair's program is the right one, it is definitely something we'll have to cost before we move forward, but let's at least talk about it at the federal level.

In any case it's much more productive than giving billions of dollars here, hundreds of millions there, and inching your way to election on a mountain of hand outs.

MonctonRad · #**257** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I agree with you on the first...not so much the second. The two would cost probably $10B a year. I don't mind shared medical care, but I'm not even sure if I'll have kids, and if I do, it'll be 1.

Well, it takes a village to raise a child. The future of a society lies ultimately within it's children. That's why education is a governmental responsibility. Daycare is somewhat similar, but since it isn't as intimately concerned with preparing our offspring to become functional members of society, the analogy isn't perfect. Still, society should be concerned with childrens welfare and this can be partially accomplished with a national daycare system. I'm OK with that, as long as it's done in a non overbearing and fiscally responsible manner. I don't want to create a (literal) nanny state.

Migs · #**258** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:50 PM**

Trudeau struggles with basic questions.

http://m.torontosun.com/2015/09/21/furey-trudeau-struggles-with-basic-questions

jmt18325 · #**259** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Matter of opinion.

There are certainly better places to spend the money.

lake of the nations · #**260** Posted **Sep 22, 2015, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

So, a question for our Quebec-based forummers. What are the chances that the French-language debates will degenerate into yelling matches about Quebec secession and 50% +1? It seems like that would be a Bloc — and something the other leaders would want to avoid like the plague, but I'm wondering if Trudeau will be able to (or should) restrain himself?

I highly doubt it will happen. Neither Trudeau nor Harper would repeat what they said at the Maclean's Debate. At most Trudeau may talk about how fabulous is Canada, Harper may mention "une nation au sein d'un Canada uni" and Mulcair could argue that his party is the only one to acknowledge our right to self determination. In the previous debates, I don't think Duceppe ever really focused on the independence issue, favoring more concrete stakes. The new dynamic that's going on within sovereigntist ranks may shuffle the cards, however.