Canada Election 2015

[Stingray2004]

Reason why the old thread is gone...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=218902

... so we begin anew.

[kwoldtimer]

The Conservatives have announced that they are sticking to modest numbers of Syrian refugees, but are at least taking the thumb out to get 10,000 here over the next year, rather than by the end of 2017. This is apparently not tied to their re-election, so it will give a basis for the NDP or Liberals to do more should they form the next government.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-chris-alexander-refugees-1.3235415

[O-tacular]

I voted liberal this time as I think justin is being the most honest and I think their platform makes the most sense. I also agree that now is the time to spend money on infrastructure. Mulcair and Harper felt the most like politicians in the debate and Trudeau felt more like a true leader in the sense that he was the only one who inspired me in any way. Harper looked tired and beaten. The part of the debate where he attempted to mimic a human smile was deeply unsettling. Like a lizard trying to blend in. I also liked when he disagreed with the moderator about the state of the economy as you could tell it got under his skin. He's used to having all the power and holding the media on a leash. Glad to see him uncomfortable.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Go team red

[matt602]

Greens since they're the only party that has been serious about getting rid of C-51 but I've also been considering NDP in the interest of not vote splitting...

[Ramako]

Really? We've had three election threads now and people are still starting polls with the Conservatives in the red poll position and the Liberals in the blue poll position?

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by Ramako

Really? We've had three election threads now and people are still starting polls with the Conservatives in the red poll position and the Liberals in the blue poll position?

I was just about to mention this

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I was just about to mention this

I'm thinking it's tradition now.

Still voting Liberal I think. Really I'm voting ABC, but Liberals are pretty much taking Freddy, so I'll make sure they get there.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Ramako

Really? We've had three election threads now and people are still starting polls with the Conservatives in the red poll position and the Liberals in the blue poll position?

Sigh. Guilty as charged. When I started the thread... the poll prompted number of options. Check. Then required options to be filled in - which I did, in alphabetical order of 3 major parties and then added the 2 minor parties + Other.

No prompt for colour-coding. And completely forgot about same.

Oh well. At least from an American perspective the Cons have the Republican "red" and the Liberals have the Democrat "blue". C'est la vie.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by lio45

For the sake of argument, I'd point out that I will never be ashamed of considering we're "officially culturally superior" to cultures that advocate treating women like slaves/property, that the appropriate punishment for suspected homosexuality is death, etc.

I don't view this as a way our society is "superior" but rather a way our society is more advanced. Western society had slavery, lacked rights for women and minorities, let religion dictate laws and suppress personal freedom, etc. as well and not all that long ago. I see it as something that comes with effort, and education, rather than fundamental superiority.

[MonctonRad]

Current CBC Seat Projections:

CPC - 114
NDP - 114
LIB - 109
GRN - 1

Regionally:

Atlantic: LIB - 22 NDP - 7 CPC - 3
Quebec: NDP - 58 LIB - 14 CPC - 6
Ontario: LIB - 54 CPC - 48 NDP - 19
SK/MB: CPC - 15 NDP - 8 LIB - 5
Alberta: CPC - 29 NDP - 3 LIB - 3
BC: NDP - 18 CPC - 13 LIB - 10 GRN - 1
North: LIB -2 NDP - 1

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

BC: NDP - 18 CPC - 13 LIB - 10 GRN - 1

I'm still anticipating this GRN number to be 2 or 3 by the time this is all said and done.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Current CBC Seat Projections:

CPC - 114
NDP - 114
LIB - 109
GRN - 1

Regionally:

Atlantic: LIB - 22 NDP - 7 CPC - 3
Quebec: NDP - 58 LIB - 14 CPC - 6
Ontario: LIB - 54 CPC - 48 NDP - 19
SK/MB: CPC - 15 NDP - 8 LIB - 5
Alberta: CPC - 29 NDP - 3 LIB - 3
BC: NDP - 18 CPC - 13 LIB - 10 GRN - 1
North: LIB -2 NDP - 1

That's an interesting scenario - I guess the Conservatives would form the next government and try to get an NDPer or a Liberal elected as Speaker?

[MolsonExport]

why are we discarding the old thread? I am going to vote Bloc just out of spite.

[ssiguy]

^ It was an honest accident and nothing more.

I still haven't voted on the poll because I am legitimately torn.

A few months ago I was definitely voting NDP and didn't think anything would change my mind. It wasn't for any love of Mulcair or the NDP but more a statement to both the Liberals and Conservatives as a "pox on both your houses". It is our first time in Canadian history where we have a legitimate ability to tell both parties to go to hell and that you are not ordained by God take turns ruling the country like a fiefdom.

I also swore on the bible at the end of the last election that I would never vote Liberal again in my lifetime. I could never forgive the Liberals for electing a foreigner to try to run the country who had absolutely no love for the country whatsoever. The Conservative ads of "Ignatief, just visiting" where right on the money and the willingness of the Liberals to hand over the reigns to someone who says "the only good thing about Canada is Algonquin Park" made me and the rest of the population sick. The Liberals gift wrapped the Conservative majority government.

Well, 5 years later and a once determined NDP voter {first time in my life} I am really warming to Trudeau and his policies. Mulcair's balanced budget is both a lie and poor policy and his answer to the Senate crisis to "get rid of it" is a complete cope out as that will never happen as it requires the OK from the provinces.

Trudeau, despite his flaws, seems to be the only one of the 3 that speaks from the heart with passion and has "the vision thing" that the other 2 lack. NDP/Con policy seems to be centered around managing the next 4 years where as Trudeau talks about Canada's future including something that goes to the core of our democracy and governance.........getting rid of FPTP.

I'm in a tight riding in WR/SS between the Libs/Cons and I will probably vote ABC but a few months ago I MAY have voted Liberal but holding my nose at the same time , that is no longer the case.

The Liberal policies I support more but Trudeau himself has impressed me far more than I thought he ever could.

[*Stardust*]

ssiguy I know what you are feeling. I think trudeau Is doing a great job and is running a better campaign. I don't like every Liberal policy, but running an anti austerity budget is a brilliant move. I picked NDP again on the poll, but I'm more on the fence this time.

[Ayreonaut]

Voting in a rural AB riding means no chance of ABC here, so I don't have to worry about my Green vote splitting the left parties. I think they could finish second here again anyway (I think they did in 2008); they're definitely competing with the Tories for most signs along the highways around here.

[ssiguy]

The Liberals made not only a correct policy decision by running small deficits for 3 years but also a damn good political one.

Not only does it help them in the urban/suburban vote but also makes a clear distinction between the Liberals and the other 2 parties. In many ways this policy has made the elcetion go from a NDP/Lib vs Conservative election to a Lib vs NDP/Con election.

It's not coincidence that the Liberals have been slowing gaining on both the other parties since it brought forth it's infrastructure/deficit plan and the NDP particularly have stalled.

[*Stardust*]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

The Liberals made not only a correct policy decision by running small deficits for 3 years but also a damn good political one.

Not only does it help them in the urban/suburban vote but also makes a clear distinction between the Liberals and the other 2 parties. In many ways this policy has made the elcetion go from a NDP/Lib vs Conservative election to a Lib vs NDP/Con election.

It's not coincidence that the Liberals have been slowing gaining on both the other parties since it brought forth it's infrastructure/deficit plan and the NDP particularly have stalled.

4 balanced budgets and surpluses are complete B.S.
Nothing wrong with running a deficit with a future plan to balance down the road.

I definitely do notice the shift right now. I think 6 months ago people felt that the Libs were too close to the Cons and that the NDP was the only left wing choice left. Now that the Libs have been leaning left on every policy announcement they have made in this campaign, it's clear we have a more old school Liberal party back.

[ssiguy]

I only half agree with you on having the "old style Liberal party back".

I agree Trudeau is definitely more progressive like the Liberals of year ago but Trudeau is also very different. Unlike the Liberals of years ago, he is not part of the old boys network. His friends, unlike traditional Liberals politicians, doesn't run the country on the Montreal/Toronto cocktail circuit.

He really is a "new" kind of Liberal who is braking away from the restraints of Westmount and Rosedale. He is a really fresh face for a very fresh Liberal party.

When viewing the Liberals under Justin you know you are voting for an established party but not the establishment.