Winnipeg Construction VIII

[Biff]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Great news, although in my view the ideal scenario would have been moving every TNSE related office into TN Square and then freeing up their office space in the Powerhouse on Hargrave for lease by somebody else. With this, it sounds like the Moose will be committed to the Iceplex for the long haul.

It looks like just on ice type of offices for both teams. Coaches offices, therapist offices, film theaters, players lounges etc. I don't believe any management type or True North offices will be moving there, so it seems the business side will be staying downtown.

[esquire]

^ Even better, thanks for clarifying.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Biff

It looks like just on ice type of offices for both teams. Coaches offices, therapist offices, film theaters, players lounges etc. I don't believe any management type or True North offices will be moving there, so it seems the business side will be staying downtown.

And it makes more sense for the coaches and therapists to be there anyway, that's where they spend most of their time.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by rypinion

Presumably Simplicity will have a field day with those numbers?

I actually don't know anything about this project, but when somebody starts describing something in terms of the number of beds they're housing and it isn't a care home or a rehab facility, my guess is that they're renting dorms.

If they're renting out 250-300 square foot rooms with a little kitchenette and common bathrooms, those rents will be fine.

Has anybody got a link?

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

I actually don't know anything about this project, but when somebody starts describing something in terms of the number of beds they're housing and it isn't a care home or a rehab facility, my guess is that they're renting dorms.

If they're renting out 250-300 square foot rooms with a little kitchenette and common bathrooms, those rents will be fine.

Has anybody got a link?

http://www.cjob.com/2015/08/31/huge-...d-near-u-of-m/

[robertocarlos]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

perhaps the rapit transit will stop here before hitting the UofM?

If the bus stops to pick up passengers then it won't be very rapid.

[buzzg]

I just heard MMM got the contract to do servicing and transportation at TN Square and they are in planning stages.... Not sure if that was made public yet.

[buzzg]

Also, hopefully this means that the new WAG building is slowly (still) moving forward...

Professor, artist hopes to make city the centre for new indigenous art

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/art...323304841.html

[drew]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I just heard MMM got the contract to do servicing and transportation at TN Square and they are in planning stages.... Not sure if that was made public yet.

A local consulting firm will be doing the foundation design of the towers. But it sounds like most of the building(s) structural design will be done out of province.

Not sure what that means for the rest of the consultants (A M and E)

Kinda shitty. Be nice to have this money spent locally.

[robertocarlos]

Does this mean Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries are moving to TN Square?

[drew]

^ seems as though they are gearing up towards design and drawings? But I don't know if that (tenants) has been finalized.

[CoryB]

This is starting to no sound completely above board. According to the CJOB article linked above Janice Lukes is supporting the development and has become vocal about the "illegal rooming houses" in the U of M area. A crack down on those illegal rooming houses would definitely benefit this developer. Also the practice of a group of university students getting together and renting a house is not something that occurred overnight. I know it was happening for more than 20 years now and likely even longer than that.

Another early concern, the article links to a PDF on the company and other "successful" projects they have done. At the bottom is a web address "riserealestate.ca" that leads to a placeholder webpage. If you have completed a successful real estate project in the past five years it would be expected that a landing page would be working, especially if you had on-going operations renting out student housing.

I would put a heavy dose of salt on this one but the salt shaker is a little empty from some of the other projects in Winnipeg lately.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by drew

A local consulting firm will be doing the foundation design of the towers. But it sounds like most of the building(s) structural design will be done out of province.

I get going with a local firm for the foundation design due to issues with our soil and locals knowing it best. That said, doesn't the actual structural design feed into the foundation design so that it is properly supported? Also does that not mean you can't really proceed with a foundation design until you at least have a general concept to work with?

[drew]

Originally Posted by CoryB

I get going with a local firm for the foundation design due to issues with our soil and locals knowing it best. That said, doesn't the actual structural design feed into the foundation design so that it is properly supported? Also does that not mean you can't really proceed with a foundation design until you at least have a general concept to work with?

There definitely needs to be some collaboration from the two firms for working above and below ground - but really the foundation design is extremely straight forward (*usually!) in comparison to what happens above ground. Basically someone will give you a load from above (vertical and horizontal) and you figure out what type and size of pile will support it.

Also the "going local because they know the ground conditions" is a bit of an outdated theory. Whoever does the foundation design will have the same geotechnical report to use.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

I actually don't know anything about this project, but when somebody starts describing something in terms of the number of beds they're housing and it isn't a care home or a rehab facility, my guess is that they're renting dorms.

If they're renting out 250-300 square foot rooms with a little kitchenette and common bathrooms, those rents will be fine.

Has anybody got a link?

Here is the website for the unit they developed in Waterloo Ontario.

http://luxewaterloo.ca/

and the website for their development in London Ontario

http://www.luxestudentliving.com/

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by cllew

Here is the website for the unit they developed in Waterloo Ontario.

http://luxewaterloo.ca/

and the website for their development in London Ontario

http://www.luxestudentliving.com/

It looks like they are trying to corner the market on this type of development. The article from London, Ontario talks about developments at Wilfrid Laurier University and Waterloo as well.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/01/04/st...a-london-first

But, all of these project seem to be at an early stage of development. Would be interesting to see which - if any - gets build first. The London Ontario article is from more than 2 years ago.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

If the bus stops to pick up passengers then it won't be very rapid.

yeah exactly why Disraili freeway is not a freeway, or why Lagimodiere has 5 lights in 3 kms, or Bishop Grandin has ..... I'll stop now

[CoryB]

With the former Southwood golf course more ideally positioned for developments like what the Rise is pitching it seems like this might be a non-starter. If I was looking after the golf course project I would definitely be talking with them to see if they could change their plan some and relocate, say just across from the Q lot on campus. The river views would also likely help the developer charge a premium for that side of the building. Another prime site would be just north of IGF as it has been established a rapid transit terminal is being built there to service IGF.

[Simplicity]

Thanks for the links.

The whole Rise concept is certainly interesting. There are definitely a number of homes in Bridgwater rented out by 6 or 7 students, but that market isn't huge. And I'm not quite sure how this works exactly. Do you get to pick your roommates? And if you're a single person, will you be assigned to a random suite?

The price point seems on the low side to me given the amenities they're showing from the other buildings, so I'm guessing you ain't gettin' those amenities, but I also feel like it's high for students. To Cory's point, I don't think there's any real overlap between this market and the one that causes so many issues within Ft. Richmond. These units are geared towards students for whom expenses are probably largely covered by their parents. If you're paying somewhere on the order of ~$2 sq ft, that's not student living; that's everyday apartment living and that's the sort of thing that's largely caused the huge uptick in single occupancy amongst foreign students. They can't afford to pay much more than $250-$300/mth for a room in a house that's walkable.

Anyway, it's a cool project, but Janie Lukes ought to know that providing tanning beds and business services is not how you solve a housing problem that consists almost exclusively of poor foreign students who don't have a credit rating, let alone a co-signer. This doesn't even come close to addressing the structural issues of this problem and the U of M needs to take responsibility for building their bottom line on the backs of juiced-up foreign tuition while neglecting the attendant need for even basic shelter.

[wags_in_the_peg]

"poor foreign students"? I know numerous people renting basement suites in their houses to very, very wealthy foreign students. On more than one occasion i've heard of them flying to TO or MTL for the weekend and coming back with designer dresses or $5k watches.