YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Klazu]

As many destinations and airlines we have, the destination map on Wikipedia makes us still look quite modest in terms of coverage.

[Denscity]

Anyone got the skills to do a "one stop" map from YVR??

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by Klazu

As many destinations and airlines we have, the destination map on Wikipedia makes us still look quite modest in terms of coverage.

Now that is interesting, and rather humbling. Granted, that covers a large part of the world's GDP, but it also illustrates that whole continents lack direct service.

I've drunk the Kool-Aid when it comes to believing in the ability of the current and imminent next-gen aircraft (B787, B777X, A330neo, A350) being game-changers for making new 'long & thin' routes become viable. I think by the end of the decade this route map will look quite different as the world's long haul fleets are renewed and expanded.

[trofirhen]

Once the airlines currently serving YVR are stable and can count on consistent pax and revenue, I'd like to see added year-round nonstops to:

SINGAPORE
DELHI
MELBOURNE

ATLANTA
MIAMI
WASHINGTON DC

LIMA
SANTIAGO
SÃO PAULO

ISTANBUL

That ought to "do it," IMO. (yes there'll be boos and hisses from some others, but this is my own preferential list)

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Once the airlines currently serving YVR are stable and can count on consistent pax and revenue, I'd like to see added year-round nonstops to:

SINGAPORE
DELHI
MELBOURNE

ATLANTA
MIAMI
WASHINGTON DC

LIMA
SANTIAGO
SÃO PAULO

ISTANBUL

That ought to "do it," IMO. (yes there'll be boos and hisses from some others, but this is my own preferential list)

We lost Singapore in 2012 when Singapore Airlines left YVR and we lost nonstops to Lima and continuing service to Santiago and Buenos Aires in the 1980's and 1990's through merger of Canadian and AC.

If we were to do a city map instead we would see many Chinese and U.S. destinations added, however.

[Millennium2002]

Although the one-seat ride map looks bad, one also has to consider that not all international routes from Vancouver will be as profitable as say transferring to a more "local" flight from a hub airport.

I wonder what the map looks like if cities are only highlighted (not whole countries) AND/OR hubs that Vancouver connects to are taken into account. (That is, we include Vancouver -> Hub -> Destination flights.)

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by allan_kuan

I wonder what the map looks like if cities are only highlighted (not whole countries)

You get an idea from here: http://www.yvr.ca/libraries/maps/destinations.sflb.ashx

[Klazu]

We are doing slightly better than SEA, which is missing Oceania altogether (but has Dubai). Too bad there is no similar map for YYC, YYZ, etc.

YVR


SEA

[trofirhen]

The next regions IMO, to be coloured orange would be Brasil, Peru, and Chile... as well as other destinations in the USA and China, as mentioned.
This will come about sooner or later with TWOV.

[twoNeurons]

How about a direct flight to Vladivostok and Denmark. Then Greenland and ALL of Russia would be orange. Haha.

Personally, I think a population heat map is more relevant.

[Klazu]

Eastern Russia doesn't provide much of a destination, but I am a bit surprised that SAS doesn't fly here from Copenhagen. Did they ever do that? There are a lot of Scandinavian people in here and I think Icelandair is trying to capitalize on that.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Klazu

As many destinations and airlines we have, the destination map on Wikipedia makes us still look quite modest in terms of coverage.

The map really reflects the major eithnicities and places of origin of people living in this city, except for South Asia (mainly India)

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Anyone got the skills to do a "one stop" map from YVR??

One would have to determine the applicable rules for one-stop services. For example YVR-LHR-GRU is technically one-stop connection; but BA will not let you buy it as a single ticket. As two separate tickets, the flights are extremely expensive full fare Economy tickets.

If we go with valid ticketing rules, the map drastically changes. But many travelers use split ticketing to get around airline fare rules.

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Eastern Russia doesn't provide much of a destination, but I am a bit surprised that SAS doesn't fly here from Copenhagen. Did they ever do that? There are a lot of Scandinavian people in here and I think Icelandair is trying to capitalize on that.

SAS did CPH-SEA in the past, but discontinued in 2009 I think. If SEA wasn't workable with all of the head offices there, not sure Vancouver would be very viable.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Eastern Russia doesn't provide much of a destination, but I am a bit surprised that SAS doesn't fly here from Copenhagen. Did they ever do that? There are a lot of Scandinavian people in here and I think Icelandair is trying to capitalize on that.

For decades, SEA-TAC was served by SAS nonstop to Kastrup, as Scandinavians are very present in Seattle. But now, there is no Seattle-Copenhagen nonstop by any airline.
Icelandair seems to have filled that niche. They serve SEA-TAC all year, and YVR in summer. (oops, someone beat me to it.)

[Klazu]

Just when we were talking about ATL last week, I today booked flights to Atlanta in couple of weeks from now.

How does it seem to me that UA always has the best flight times and prices when flying trans-continental from Vancouver? One World airlines don't have any hub in the northwest and I don't feel like flying via PHX or DFW just for the sake flying with them. Is there any city in the northwestern United States that you could see becoming an AA hub in the future? It is certainly a black spot for them.

How likely are new hubs overall? SLC could be a great One World hub as DL is giving SLC very little love.

Also Delta seems to never come up as the best deal when I am checking prices, although they have their SEA and SLC hubs near us. Flight times via those cities seem extremely inconvenient. Considering that ATL is Delta's mega-hub, I was expecting to fly with them but their YVR-ATL is seasonal.

Looking forward to visiting Atlanta and doing things like The Walking Dead tour. Atlanta seems to have a lot going for themselves.

[nname]

Last time I took the direct YVR-ATL flight about 7 years ago, there were no one sitting around me in any of the 8 directions. So basically I got 9 seats all to myself

[Klazu]

Talking about routes out of Vancouver to India...

I found it interesting how in Amazing Race Season 3 teams traveled on Air Canada (which is a major sponsor of the show) from Saskatoon to Kolkata via Vancouver to Tokyo. I guess it is a shorter route than via YYZ, but I found it funny in the context of discussions in here.

[Chikinlittle]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thank you for that link. Hope AC makes some profit with that.
Business Class, I am informed, is essentially what can make a route viable or not.
If, in fact, there were enough people in Vancouver able to afford Business Class to Delhi ... that might cinch that one.
(although previously mentioned, excuse me for that pls)

I doubt it, hence one of the reason the sale has gone unadvertised. They don't really want to sell these fares, but they don't want to be uncompetitive. It's a tactical reaction of AC/LH/OS/LX to the KL/AF/DL sale to protect market share in what is currently a soft market.

So... if you need to travel a great distance, and might have a Premium Economy budget, you can probably get yourself a Business Class seat for a similar cost, or minimal extra.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Just when we were talking about ATL last week, I today booked flights to Atlanta in couple of weeks from now.

How does it seem to me that UA always has the best flight times and prices when flying trans-continental from Vancouver? One World airlines don't have any hub in the northwest and I don't feel like flying via PHX or DFW just for the sake flying with them. Is there any city in the northwestern United States that you could see becoming an AA hub in the future? It is certainly a black spot for them.

How likely are new hubs overall? SLC could be a great One World hub as DL is giving SLC very little love.

Also Delta seems to never come up as the best deal when I am checking prices, although they have their SEA and SLC hubs near us. Flight times via those cities seem extremely inconvenient. Considering that ATL is Delta's mega-hub, I was expecting to fly with them but their YVR-ATL is seasonal.

Looking forward to visiting Atlanta and doing things like The Walking Dead tour. Atlanta seems to have a lot going for themselves.

I wonder how there YVR flight is doing, they actually increased the frequency this year for the first time in a while. Would be nice to see ATL go year round or at least daily in the summer.