Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0

[McC]

agreed.

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

FYI, Montreal doesn't have any non-stop services to Asia (unless one considers Turkey as a technicality).

Even as a technicality it is a stretch as the airport in question (IST) is in the European part of Turkey

[McC]

as will be its replacement.

[canabiz]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Is that really such a surprise though when a capital isn't it's country's biggest city?

I mean, I wouldn't really be surprised at having to transfer if I was going to Brasilia, Ankara, Canberra or Bern.

It is not a surprise to me or you or other folks on this board/in this city but it certainly is a big surprise to people who don't live here, Americans included, not just people coming from far-flung places whose images of Canada possibly consist of RCMP, polar bears, igloos and the Rockies!

[canabiz]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

FYI, Montreal doesn't have any non-stop services to Asia (unless one considers Turkey as a technicality). The ports of entry into Canada from places like Japan, China, and states nearby are Vancouver and Toronto. The only other city in Canada with non-stop service to Asia is Calgary (Japan).

Your point is well-taken. I included Montreal in my statement because a number of my relatives typically fly directly from Hanoi to Paris first to visit other relatives then to Montreal and then Ottawa again (either via plane, train, bus or family pick-up)

It would be nice to cut Montreal out of the picture to reduce transit time but I understand the need for patience as the demand needs to build up first.

and to add something now that you guys brought up Turkey: There are direct flights from Montreal to Qatar, courtesy of Qatar Airways. I'll let you guys decide which continent Qatar should be in. Google tells me it is, you guess it, Asia

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by canabiz

and to add something now that you guys brought up Turkey: There are direct flights from Montreal to Qatar, courtesy of Qatar Airways. I'll let you guys decide which continent Qatar should be in. Google tells me it is, you guess it, Asia

Didn't know that one... cool

You are, of course, correct with Asia... however in the grand geopolitical scheme of things it would probably be more appropriate to add a "Middle East" category to further optimize the granularity of these discussions

[Admiral Nelson]

Air Canada has 29 orders for the new long range 787-900s. I wonder if it's conceivable that Ottawa would eventually get an Asian route with one of those, maybe in one or two decades?

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

FYI, Montreal doesn't have any non-stop services to Asia (unless one considers Turkey as a technicality). The ports of entry into Canada from places like Japan, China, and states nearby are Vancouver and Toronto. The only other city in Canada with non-stop service to Asia is Calgary (Japan).

Non stop service to Beijing starts in September from YUL, with Air China.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

FYI, Montreal doesn't have any non-stop services to Asia (unless one considers Turkey as a technicality). The ports of entry into Canada from places like Japan, China, and states nearby are Vancouver and Toronto. The only other city in Canada with non-stop service to Asia is Calgary (Japan).

As mentioned YUL-PEK is coming and YUL has had YUL-DOH for a number of years, which technically is Asia.

[Dominion301]

YOW's June and July numbers have now been published on their website. Here's June:

Sector / Jun-14 / Jun-15 / % Change
Dom: 309,371 / 324,978 / +5.0% - busiest month ever, beating Aug. 2014 by 22 pax
TB: 52,046 / 49,778 / -4.4% - worst June number since 2009
Int'l: 22,697 / 23,022 / +1.4% - Assuming the weekly WG to VRA was 80% full, this means LHR + FRA on AC had an 85% LF
TTL: 384,114 / 397,778 / +3.6% - best monthly gain since April 2012

Sector / YTD 2014 / YTD 2015 / % Change
Dom: 1,640,014 / 1,661,309 / +1.3%
TB: 382,210 / 407,130 / +6.5%
Int'l: 289,925 / 281,452 / -2.9%
TTL: 2,312,149 / 2,349,891 / +1.6%

12 Month Rolling Totals:

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2014
Dom: 3,455,504 / +0.6%
TB: 766,205 / +3.4%
Int'l: 432,481 / -1.9%
TTL: 4,654,190 / +0.8%


https://yow.ca/sites/yow.ca/files/site-specific/pax_stats_chart_-_jul_15_eng.pdf

[Dominion301]

Here's July (same hyperlink is the source):

Sector / Jul-14 / Jul-15 / % Change
Dom: 311,249 / 320,865 / +3.1% - amazing the impact a couple of new WS Q400s to YQM & YHZ can have.
TB: 55,211 / 52,363 / -5.2% - worst month since at least 2005 (I only have records going back to 2006). No more US to CLT & cuts on the EWR, IAD & ORD routes. Hopefully AC's Florida flights are doing well.
Int'l: 23,349 / 23,790 / +1.9% - assuming 80% LF for WG's VRA, AC's LHR + FRA averaged 86.3% full in July (also assumes a 100% completion factor of course)
TTL: 389,809 / 397,018 / +1.8%

Sector / YTD 2014 / YTD 2015 / % Change
Dom: 1,951,263 / 1,982,174 / +1.6%
TB: 437,421 / 459,493 / +5.0%
Int'l: 313,274 / 305,242 / -2.6%
TTL: 2,701,958 / 2,746,909 / +1.7%

12 month rolling:

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2014
Dom: 3,465,120 / +0.9%
TB: 763,357 / +3.0%
Int'l: 432,922 / -1.8%
TTL: 4,661,399 / +1.0% - now within 24,000 pax of 2012's record.

[daud]

YOW will be seeing more international routes in the not too distant future. I was told directly from one well placed exec that AC are looking to add international routes to YOW. Nothing specific, but the objective and statement was clear. No timeline was mentioned but it had to do with remodelled or new fleet coming online.

[BenTheGreat97]

Originally Posted by daud

YOW will be seeing more international routes in the not too distant future. I was told directly from one well placed exec that AC are looking to add international routes to YOW. Nothing specific, but the objective and statement was clear. No timeline was mentioned but it had to do with remodelled or new fleet coming online.

I think the best possibility would be either YOW-CDG or YOW-AMS on AC.

I think another AC or even Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt/Munich would be out of the question as AC's current FRA flight isn't even year-round.

[McC]

If I had heard that I would be thinking sun vacation destinations, or maybe Rouge or Transat services across the pond.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by daud

YOW will be seeing more international routes in the not too distant future. I was told directly from one well placed exec that AC are looking to add international routes to YOW. Nothing specific, but the objective and statement was clear. No timeline was mentioned but it had to do with remodelled or new fleet coming online.

I have no doubt AC will add more winter seasonal sun leisure routes as evidenced by the upgauging this winter of all int'l sun routes to a 320 from mostly E90s.

For AC to add CDG, it could work on a summer seasonal basis 3-4x/week on a 763. That would certainly suck the YUL leakage taps dry. There are some Star connections available at CDG and YOW always offers a few connections at the other end.

I wonder whether we'll ever see Rouge here? Getting FRA back to year-round would be priority #1 I'd think.

[ars]

Originally Posted by BenTheGreat97

I think the best possibility would be either YOW-CDG or YOW-AMS on AC.

I think another AC or even Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt/Munich would be out of the question as AC's current FRA flight isn't even year-round.

Wouldn't mind YOW-AMS for personal reasons(I have family in Holland )

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by daud

YOW will be seeing more international routes in the not too distant future. I was told directly from one well placed exec that AC are looking to add international routes to YOW.

An "AC" exec, or "an" exec who claims to know something?

The only international route I can maybe see AC trying from YOW is CDG. I just don't see anything else being even remotely possible.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

An "AC" exec, or "an" exec who claims to know something?

The only international route I can maybe see AC trying from YOW is CDG. I just don't see anything else being even remotely possible.

Agreed. The only way AMS will ever happen again is with KL or a summer-seasonal weekly on Arkefly.

[daud]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

An "AC" exec, or "an" exec who claims to know something?

AC...it really revolved around aircraft supply and what they wanted to do with it. Could be just talk, but it came right from the horse's mouth. Time will tell I guess.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Agreed. The only way AMS will ever happen again is with KL or a summer-seasonal weekly on Arkefly.

Definitely! Considering AC just started YYZ-AMS this summer they would never start YOW-AMS; there is little to no connections that AC & partners can provide from AMS, it would have to be mostly O&D.

I would be happy to keep YOW-FRA year round to coexist with YOW-LHR.

I think the next trans-Atlantic route from YOW will be either:
- Reykjavik (KEF) on Icelandair
- CDG on AF
- AMS on KL

And if any of the latter two happen they are probably still years away. I think once AC gets their 787s and transfers the 767s to Rouge YOW-FRA (on a 787) will go year round. I bet that 767 can make more money flying down south for the winter than flying to Europe from Ottawa.