PITTSBURGH | Development Rundown II - Page 690

BrianTH · #**13781** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 11:33 AM**

Pay by phone is coming to Pittsburgh parking:

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/8949217-74/drivers-meter-fee#axzz3jRqNKwCB

Of course in a few years, self-driving cars will moot all this . . .

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...ng-cars-may-be-here-sooner-than-you.html

Private Dick · #**13782** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 1:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by AaronPGH

That developer does pretty terrible work.

http://www.milhaus.com/portfolio/all-projects

I'd prefer if Indianapolis developers stayed west of the Ohio line.

Evergrey · #**13783** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Private Dick

I'd prefer if Indianapolis developers stayed west of the Ohio line.

That's exactly what I was thinking when looking at those projects... I'm skeptical about projects from developers who come from rather generic, non-urban cities. I definitely get a lot more excited when I hear a developer is from Philadelphia or NYC.

That said... I think Milhaus' 'current projects' are an incremental improvement over their older projects.

650 units in the style of say... "Mentor & Muse"... would be an incalculable improvement over the parking lot ocean and sad, tired Rite Aid that squander Lawrenceville's core at present.

http://www.milhaus.com/projects/mentor-and-muse

gg1 · #**13784** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeneW

Weird almost zero content article about the Shakespeare Street Giant Eagle Plaza.

I don't think it is "weird". If they don't know what the future holds at this time due to their biggest tenant not giving an answer on what they want to do, there is nothing to report at this time. It would be great if Giant Eagle would leave that plaza and that spot would upgrade into something more in keeping with that area's future. East Liberty was always meant to be a more upscale area and it should go back to its roots. One can only hope. Maybe a Fresh Market would be a better fit for that spot. There is a Giant Eagle right down the street on Center anyway.

gg1 · #**13785** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 2:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrianTH

For what it is worth, we might well use PPS for high school if the deal with Wilkinsburg goes through. Diversity in the district would be a positive for us (not the biggest deal, but we would prefer not to use something like 95% white schools).

When will you know this outcome. I find it pretty interesting and it could really be a help to Wilkinsburg.

gg1 · #**13786** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Austinlee

I don't have kids yet but I agree with you; I think the best thing is a diverse school. The world is diverse. I grew up in a 100% white Christian school. I never grew up around people different than me.

This is one of the reasons I chose Fox Chapel over all others. They don't tell the real story on any website when it comes to true diversity within the district, but with over 25% Asian and of course they lump all the European students in as "white", you can't get much more true diversity than that. Lots of students with English as a second language are within the district. I really never looked at the word "diverse" as meaning Americans with a different color of skin. It just seems so dated to me and Americans are Americans. I do get the role model idea and kids seeing successful people that look like themselves, bur really we have Obama that was voted in as our president with a majority vote TWICE and the US is 77% so-called white, so that tells me race isn't nearly as big of deal as the media portrays. The proof is in the numbers and really can't be argued against.

Anyway, I think it is best to look at the term "diverse" on a global level in this day and age. Being exposed to people from around the world is where it is at. It shows how much in common we have on a global level. We already know Americans have lots in common, but of course the media only shows extremists to sell advertising to make money.

gg1 · #**13787** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by AaronPGH

That developer does pretty terrible work.

http://www.milhaus.com/portfolio/all-projects

I don't know about that. Looks like the developer creates a lot of different looks on the link provided.

I would love to see that site developed that is for sure. It looks horrible at the moment. Can't wait!

gg1 · #**13788** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 3:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrianTH

By the way, just a reminder, but the Washington Education Center across the street may become a hotel:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...ying-lawrenceville-school-for-hotel.html

That could really make the 40th Street bridge "gateway" quite impressive.

Now about that Wendy's and GetGo . . .

Would be great. Do you really have a problem with Wendy's and GetGo? Even in NYC there are fast food places and a place to get fuel. I guess I understand a better use right on Butler, but I don't know if those places will relocate.

chucka · #**13789** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 3:11 PM**

A historic church on the border of Bloomfield/Frienship/Shadyside might be replaced by a very small one story building with a drive-through and lots of surface parking.

Google Street View

Pittsburgh Zoning Board considers church demolition in Shadyside

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Evergrey · #**13790** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 3:33 PM**

It's frustrating that the Baum-Centre corridor seems to be going in two opposite directions at once... we see several dense, urban apartment projects in development (a vision outlined in Peduto's 2004 Baum-Centre Corridor Development Strategy)... yet we also get several crappy auto-centric McKnight Road-ish developments like this.

I heard this was going to be a Starbucks... which doesn't seem to make sense considering there's a Starbucks a couple blocks west in the Marriott... and there's another Starbucks a couple blocks east in the EastSide development.

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Originally Posted by chucka

A historic church on the border of Bloomfield/Frienship/Shadyside might be replaced by a very small one story building with a drive-through and lots of surface parking.

Google Street View

Pittsburgh Zoning Board considers church demolition in Shadyside

Image Source

TBone7281 · #**13791** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 4:10 PM**

Strip update.

Three Crossings

8/10

8/13 (From 25th and Railroad)

TBone7281 · #**13792** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 4:11 PM**

8/17

Street behind the Terminal Building (Waterfront Place, I think?) is paved and has pedestrian crossing signs up.

TBone7281 · #**13793** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 4:13 PM**

Second office building Oxford is building on Smallman (Across Smallman from 2500 Smallman, the granite place, and the Dog Stop)

8/10 - area is now fenced off, most construction workers are now parking offsite.

gg1 · #**13794** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

It's frustrating that the Baum-Centre corridor seems to be going in two opposite directions at once... we see several dense, urban apartment projects in development (a vision outlined in ...

Wow, how disgusting! What a shame if that horrible thing goes through. Depressing!

markson33 · #**13795** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by gg1

Wow, how disgusting! What a shame if that horrible thing goes through. Depressing!

I can't imagine that this will get approved.

I love Milhaus' site in Lawrenceville. I don't think their projects look so bad. I like the one in Oklahoma City and a few of them in Indy.

TBone7281 · #**13796** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 5:08 PM**

Smallman Place (on the 2400 block, across the street from Otto Milk) is starting up. Supposedly this place will be habitable in 2016.

The darker brick is staying, the lighter brick is all part of demo. ("Demo" is what is spray painted in white on the building.)

Austinlee · #**13797** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Private Dick

I'd prefer if Indianapolis developers stayed west of the Ohio line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evergrey

That's exactly what I was thinking when looking at those projects... I'm skeptical about projects from developers who come from rather generic, non-urban cities. I definitely get a lot more excited when I hear a developer is from Philadelphia or NYC.

That said... I think Milhaus' 'current projects' are an incremental improvement over their older projects.

650 units in the style of say... "Mentor & Muse"... would be an incalculable improvement over the parking lot ocean and sad, tired Rite Aid that squander Lawrenceville's core at present.

http://www.milhaus.com/projects/mentor-and-muse

Agreed & agreed.

Austinlee · #**13798** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by gg1

This is one of the reasons I chose Fox Chapel over all others. They don't tell the real story on any website when it comes to true diversity within the district, but with over 25% Asian and of course they lump all the European students in as "white", you can't get much more true diversity than that. Lots of students with English as a second language are within the district. I really never looked at the word "diverse" as meaning Americans with a different color of skin. It just seems so dated to me and Americans are Americans. I do get the role model idea and kids seeing successful people that look like themselves, bur really we have Obama that was voted in as our president with a majority vote TWICE and the US is 77% so-called white, so that tells me race isn't nearly as big of deal as the media portrays. The proof is in the numbers and really can't be argued against.

Anyway, I think it is best to look at the term "diverse" on a global level in this day and age. Being exposed to people from around the world is where it is at. It shows how much in common we have on a global level. We already know Americans have lots in common, but of course the media only shows extremists to sell advertising to make money.

That's great and I think the Fox Chapel school district does draw a nice national and international crowd.
I DO think the lack of black students is a problem for any school district though. We have seen in the last 12 months that this country absolutely still has a race problem. Police body cameras are proving that black people keep getting treated unfairly. I think ignoring that is a dangerous mistake.
And my black friends who i made in my 20s and 30s turned out to be some of the greatest people i've ever met. I think i was robbed in a sense to not get to have such friends as a kid.

I'm not trying to stir any pot, that's just how i feel.

Austinlee · #**13799** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 9:41 PM**

Welp. I really don't see how the Pittsburgh MSA or CSA numbers can be spun positively in comparison to other cities.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=218480

The MSA number is completely flat with a .01 drop in population. I feel like population loss has come to a slow stop like a train, before it can start moving forward again.

But since 2010 we are now smaller than Charlotte's MSA with the CSA soon to follow.
The next couple MSA's to pass Pittsburgh are going to be Sacramento and San Antonio. Also if trends don't change, in a few years both Columbus and Indianapolis will pass Pittsburgh. (In both MSA and CSA)

Jonboy1983 · #**13800** Posted **Aug 21, 2015, 10:00 PM**

I think the city and region are very close to turning a corner. It seems that the population losses due to people dying as they age should be slowing as more younger people move in and the current aging population dies. I think the losses are due to decades of the brain drain leaving behind a large population of people older than 65.

I hope my assumption is correct.