ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by Martinman

The article is suggesting that it was denied because they don't know what the second phase will be. Is this accurate?

I can't imagine that the city council will reject this when they review it. Thoughts?

Only a handful of very vocal people are against this project and were the only ones to attend the ZRB meetings. They live right by the project and are worried about their property values and would prefer that that stretch of North Avenue be single family homes. Which is ridiculous.

Let me assure you that the vast majority of the people in the O4W support this project and we are working together to get this passed the next time around. If you support this project, please let the city council know here.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KTGKW8R

[forj]

Originally Posted by Terminus

It was a unanimous denial by the ZRB. I was at the hearing.

You people above have no idea what you're talking about. There was no "conditional approval." What you've cited is the staff report, not the official ZRB vote. The ZRB does NOT have to follow what staff recommends.

alright so that being the staff report and not the ZRB findings/vote.. can you tell us why exactly there was unanimous denial, other than the things noted under the staff recommendations / conditions for approval section in the cited document?

[Libertarian]

They live right by the project and are worried about their property values

As the houses that are to be torn down are already vacant I can't imagine the adjacent property owners would be too concerned about a commercial development causing lower property values...but maybe that's just me.

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by ATLmangum

Any updates on the Modera cranegate fiasco ������

I wish I knew to. It find the whole thing about the oddest thing in Atlanta construction. You just don't throw up a crane without having all your ducks in a row.

Anyone else????

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by bigstick

I wish I knew to. It find the whole thing about the oddest thing in Atlanta construction. You just don't throw up a crane without having all your ducks in a row.

Anyone else????

Well either way it has been changed to under construction on midtown alliance site:

http://midtownatl.com/business/development-tour

edit: and this is the meeting minutes where the ZRB rejected the 525 North project against the approval of the staff recommendation and NPU: http://www.atlantaga.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=19392

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by jpk1292000

Awful that they voted against that amazing design.

And they could have had some serious visibility on a huge intersection.

[Ant131531]

And this is what Jsimms what talking about when he said Atlanta will never be urban in the way Houston/Dallas will end up being because unlike those cities, Atlanta loves to preserves it's single family home neighborhoods and will deny great projects like this. Houston/Dallas can urbanize it's core anywhere outward, while Atlanta has to scoot between single family home zones which means a very nodal type city instead of one cohesive dense city like any European or the top 6 American urban cities where they have one cohesive urban fabric.

[jddar]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

And this is what Jsimms what talking about when he said Atlanta will never be urban in the way Houston/Dallas will end up being because unlike those cities, Atlanta loves to preserves it's single family home neighborhoods and will deny great projects like this. Houston/Dallas can urbanize it's core anywhere outward, while Atlanta has to scoot between single family home zones which means a very nodal type city instead of one cohesive dense city like any European or the top 6 American urban cities where they have one cohesive urban fabric.

I think you're getting carried away. No one knows what will happen with this yet. Considering it had NPU approval, there's a very good chance the City Council will approve it.

[forj]

basically everyone approves of it but the zoning committee denied the rezoning.. I would assume for conditional reasons.. I think we are blowing this a little out of proportion.. that being said, Terminus, you were there, why exactly did they decide to deny the rezoning?

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

And this is what Jsimms what talking about when he said Atlanta will never be urban in the way Houston/Dallas will end up being because unlike those cities, Atlanta loves to preserves it's single family home neighborhoods and will deny great projects like this. Houston/Dallas can urbanize it's core anywhere outward, while Atlanta has to scoot between single family home zones which means a very nodal type city instead of one cohesive dense city like any European or the top 6 American urban cities where they have one cohesive urban fabric.

i am fine with that, to be honest. do you really want to see places like druid hills mowed over? it's like 90% forest.

[Libertarian]

North Avenue between midtown and PCM is commercial. I can't see the problem here.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

And this is what Jsimms what talking about when he said Atlanta will never be urban in the way Houston/Dallas will end up being because unlike those cities, Atlanta loves to preserves it's single family home neighborhoods and will deny great projects like this. Houston/Dallas can urbanize it's core anywhere outward, while Atlanta has to scoot between single family home zones which means a very nodal type city instead of one cohesive dense city like any European or the top 6 American urban cities where they have one cohesive urban fabric.

Give me a break. Our leafy SFH hoods are a huge part of what sets us apart from other major cities. Despite what the transplanted and newly-minted San Francisco superior may think about us, we are considered the 'Promised Land' by my West Coast friends and co-workers due to this very fact. And you certainly don't see Houston or Dallas mowing down nice SFH hoods for intense development, so that is a total non-issue. I have no idea why you think that is common in either place.

We are densifying in just about all of the right places. I don't need some recent transplant to the Bay Area originally from Jacksonville telling me how Atlanta should develop. None of us do.

I do agree that the small localized opposition to the North Ave. proposal is beyond ridiculous.

[RocketSurgeon]

I'm not sure where that original comment came from... North Ave is mostly apartments and fast food joints from Midtown to Freedom Parkway. It isn't lined by single family homes.

[robertjhajek]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

I'm not sure where that original comment came from... North Ave is mostly apartments and fast food joints from Midtown to Freedom Parkway. It isn't lined by single family homes.

I actually live in a house on North Ave right next to buddys. Once you pass under the beltline it should stay residential. The gensler proposal should have passed, those homes were nearly down to the ground anyway.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Yes that's not gonna happen. Maybe they are planning to rehab the old school across the street into apartments?

That school is already condos. One of the units is for sale:

http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/fsb...34,-84.377371_rect/15_zm/0_mmm/?view=map

The house listed for the address also recently sold 07/23/15:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/965-North-Ave-NE-Atlanta-GA-30306/35847679_zpid/

[Libertarian]

Wow, thanks.

[RudyJK]

The buildings that line North may be commercial, but the buildings on the South sides of the blocks are still mainly single-family. I can understand the trepidation and would also want much clearer future plans from these developers if I still lived in the neighborhood.

There are plenty of development options around the city that don't need to entail compromising single family neighborhoods that people have fought to maintain and love.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by RudyJK

The buildings that line North may be commercial, but the buildings on the South sides of the blocks are still mainly single-family. I can understand the trepidation and would also want much clearer future plans from these developers if I still lived in the neighborhood.

There are plenty of development options around the city that don't need to entail compromising single family neighborhoods that people have fought to maintain and love.

What section of North Avenue are you talking about? Just the two blocks where the development is proposed? If anything it's a transitional development that is going to happen whether or not it's THIS proposal (which is still more than likely what it's going to be).

You're going to see a LOT of interest along North Avenue in the coming years given the East-West Streetcar/Lightrail line is slated to connect the Eastside/Westside BeltLine trail/transit lines. Which are all undergoing the necessary environmental review in order to prequalify for matching Federal funding.

The last thing that will happen on these lots will be single family detached homes. Perhaps some form of residential will happen but it's going to be more dense than single-family homes.

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

My vision isn't as sharp as it used to be, but it looks like they *might* be installing a crane at the Post Millenium Midtown site. West end of the property, about at the midpoint of the north-south edge of where they dug that hole.

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

My vision isn't as sharp as it used to be, but it looks like they *might* be installing a crane at the Post Millenium Midtown site. West end of the property, about at the midpoint of the north-south edge of where they dug that hole.

Sorry, I was incorrect. I think.