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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 6:44 PM
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Looks very impressive. Hope this gets built.

Marketing campaign is questionable at best lol.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 6:45 PM
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As an Edmontonian, really happy for our friends down south...

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- no provincial funding
- wish the roof was retractable, nothing like summer ball in the sun!!!


Yes - That's my biggest gripe. Retactable would be the best but I would rather no roof than a fixed roof.

I would imagine if the new provincial NDP gonvernment contributes anything to this project they would provide an equal amount to Edmonton.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 6:49 PM
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Concur, happy to see something moving forward.

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- I hope they have plenty of tissue dispensers for Flames fans
- Please ensure that you have enough room for Eskimo fans to come watch our beat downs on you
Thanks Cold - I admire your resilient optimism regarding Oilers & Eskies beatdowns given recent history.

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 6:54 PM
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Powerpoint slide indicates Flames putting in $200M, $240M from community revitalization levy, $250M tix tax, $200M from city for fieldhouse.


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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 6:55 PM
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On the fixed roof thing, I'm kind of ambivalent... nothing beats a summer night outside watching football, but at the same time games after Thanksgiving are usually a PITA weather-wise, and sitting inside would be welcome.

If it were up to me I'd probably stick with an outdoor venue and put the cost difference into stadium upgrades, but this should still be pretty good. It'll be Canada's first new dome in about 30 years... wow.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 7:10 PM
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Without the fixed roof the bogus "fieldhouse" schtick does not get much movement.

This is a first for the Public Stadium hustle. Comeplelty attempt to sell to professional facilties as public 'rec centers' to try and get public funds, in all my years following stadium builds this is a first.

You read the comments on the Calgary news sites and people are not buying it, the common voice is that people don't want thier tax money going to this.

Calgary Mayor can keep on playing hardball as the populist voice is to not fund it. Let us see how long he can ride this.

If the reports are true as posted above then Calgary will just go down the sale rabbit hole as Edmonton with dubious "community levys". I also wonder how the Flames can get $250 million via a ticket tax, that is some serious coin.
     
     
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Reminds me of Forsyth Barr Stadium in New Zealand



I hope the retractable seating works and covers the track so it does not put the fans so far away from the field
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 7:15 PM
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^ Yeah, it's pretty much the same sketchy deal that Edmonton got, although it appears that Calgary is getting more for its money. Both are better than Quebec's arrangement where it's just $400M straight government money.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 7:20 PM
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^ Yeah, it's pretty much the same sketchy deal that Edmonton got, although it appears that Calgary is getting more for its money. Both are better than Quebec's arrangement where it's just $400M straight government money.
What is the ownership arrangement for QC and Edmonton's facilities? Ken King says the City of Calgary will own the new facility....
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 7:29 PM
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What is the ownership arrangement for QC and Edmonton's facilities? Ken King says the City of Calgary will own the new facility....
Toronto owns Ex Place and BMO Field but MLSE takes home most of the cash from the facility. I imagine it would be the same set-up for this.

So likely King will pay the City rent but then walk home with all revenues from events?
     
     
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What is the ownership arrangement for QC and Edmonton's facilities? Ken King says the City of Calgary will own the new facility....
It's the municipalities all around. Although I'm not sure that it's really a huge benefit to the municipalities... the teams basically get to suck the profits out of these expensive buildings for the next 30 years and eventually the city gets stuck with a worn-out husk.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 7:48 PM
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What's the capacity for CFL football? Looks great
     
     
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running track eh?

hopefully the stands are moved on top of the running track and hopefully the endzone corners aren't cut off.

running tracks are terrible for atmoshphere.
     
     
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I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the funding formula for the new Quebec City arena.
I don't agree with how much public funds were used for the Quebecor Centre but since Quebec City doesn't have a team yet (nor does it have a full ownership group), it was necessary for the construction of the arena and, eventually, the return of the Nordiques.
     
     
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Doesn't look like any endzone seating in that (admittedly very preliminary) render.

Looks like there could be retractable seats along each sideline - akin to the temporary seats in the Parken Stadium in Copenhagen, Denmark

     
     
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Flames reveal details of $890M downtown arena-stadium plan
Annalise Klingbeil, Trevor Howell, Calgary Herald August 18, 2015

The Calgary Flames organization wants to build an ambitious $890-million hockey arena and events centre, as well as a football stadium with a roof on property west of downtown, the club officially announced on Tuesday.

Ending years of speculation, Flames CEO Ken King introduced his plans for a new mega-sports complex, which he hopes will one day replace both the 32-year-old Scotiabank Saddledome and 55-year-old McMahon Stadium.

The $890-million budget would be paid from four sources — a $240-million community revitalization levy, a $250-million ticket tax, $200 million from the city to fund the fieldhouse, and a $200-million contribution from the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation, the Flames’ ownership group.

“I’m so happy to share this vision. It’s going to be a little different than people think,” said King on his way into a Tuesday morning event introducing the plans to season ticket holders.

The development, dubbed ‘CalgaryNEXT,’ is proposed for land west of downtown, in the community of Sunalta, near an existing Greyhound bus station, auto dealership and a recently built LRT station.

King said it was “dumb luck” that Sunalta LRT was built near the proposed West Village site but “it works perfectly.”

At the session for ticket holders on Tuesday morning, King described the project as a “live, work, play project” that is on par with something you would see in New York.

The football stadium would be housed inside a sports field house, and the project would include a regulation sized FIFA soccer pitch, and a track. In total, the facility will be almost 1.4 million square feet.

King has been working on plans for a new arena concept since at least 2007. In mid-March, the concept was relayed to city council in a closed-door session.

For months, the plans have remained a tightly guarded secret.

Media are scheduled to be officially briefed on the plans this afternoon.

The entire development is proposed for several blocks in the West Village that has long presented an environmental headache to the city and developers.

Much of the area is contaminated from a former creosote plant. The project’s price-tag does not include the costs of remediating environmental contamination on the site.

Previous estimates have put the cleanup costs at between $50 million and $300 million, and a city-owned agency is in the process of hiring a consultant to review previous reports and study the scope of environmental contamination in the area.

Nenshi and council unanimously oppose direct taxpayer subsidies for professional sports buildings, and King tried to head off talk of a massive funding request in a radio station interview earlier this year.

Premier Rachel Notley said publicly this week she would keep an “open mind” about funding for the professional sports facilities.

Edmonton’s $480-million Rogers Place, the new home for the Oilers, is being constructed without direct provincial investment.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 8:34 PM
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Hard to imagine in 2015 they would pull a blunder of not having the track coverd by the seats for the games. The track is another gambit of the "community centre" angle. King would probaly put a farris wheel under the dome if he could to say that its a ammusment park for the kids.

EDIT:

After reading the news. Can the City now admit they are funding the Stamps new stadium? Why all the run-around in calling this thing a "fieldhouse so childish.

Next up, $900 million for two full sized facilities seems like a stretch. Unless you really are just building a big top wit hsome retraable seating it would be hard to really see how you can build a NHL arena and a CFL stadium, both, for $900 million. This is a $1 billion + project, no way in 2015 would such a project cost any less IMO.

This is all just the first showing to the public but a lot of funny stuff already out in the open with this with cost estimates and funding proposals.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 8:34 PM
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With this image it looks like there would be an incredibly small capacity for the stadium, only seating on one side it looks. So no more Grey Cups for Calgary?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 8:46 PM
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^ My guess is they are pushing hte Fieldhouse angle as much as they can. We have yet to see any Flames or Stamps renderings, my assumption is that the configuration of the Fieldhouse will change drastically when a CFL game is action. What we have been seeing is just the "community centre" renderings.

Grey Cups are free money. No way the Stamps are passing up to host them, esepically with a dome.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2015, 8:52 PM
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So all the details are now online...

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