Winnipeg Construction VIII

[esquire]

^ Let's hope... it would be a great attraction for The Forks.

[emeraldeyes]

Originally Posted by esquire

All the design work is done but no tenant lined up? Hmm... makes you wonder how feasible this all is.

The plans look great, though:



Source: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/art...321502361.html

Is that Anthony Bourdain walking in the left foreground?

[JamieDavid Exchange]

Originally Posted by esquire

All the design work is done but no tenant lined up? Hmm... makes you wonder how feasible this all is.

The plans look great, though:



Source: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/art...321502361.html

What is it?! Looks pointless.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by JamieDavid Exchange

What is it?! Looks pointless.

Haha, architect alert. Maybe put another Cube stage on top. Make it mega pointless.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Haha, architect alert. Maybe put another Cube stage on top. Make it mega pointless.

And a Funnelator on top of the Cube stage while you're at it. Make it ultra pointless!!

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Haha, architect alert. Maybe put another Cube stage on top. Make it mega pointless.

Do we have any confirmation this is another abortion from the archi-marketers at 546?

[esquire]

I think the brewery looks cool... not everything has to be boring and drab.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by esquire

I think the brewery looks cool... not everything has to be boring and drab.

I really couldn't even care less how it looks. But it's so obviously dysfunctional as a 4-season design that why would anybody even float it? That's why I assumed it was a 546 design. We'll only deal with the functional aspects once its been built and proven dysfunctional so we can take 3 or 4 more kicks at the cat essentially rebuilding an existing structure without fully dismantling it.

I've said it before. The way renderings are used in this city to sell projects to the public is completely misleading.

[rypinion]

Isn't the visible part only filled with various tanks and such, things that would be outdoors anyway? That's the impression I get, at least.

[Ando]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

I really couldn't even care less how it looks. But it's so obviously dysfunctional as a 4-season design that why would anybody even float it? That's why I assumed it was a 546 design. We'll only deal with the functional aspects once its been built and proven dysfunctional so we can take 3 or 4 more kicks at the cat essentially rebuilding an existing structure without fully dismantling it.

I've said it before. The way renderings are used in this city to sell projects to the public is completely misleading.

It's been well-publicized that it's a 546 design, so I wonder if you aren't being just a little disingenuous. I think it looks great and I really would be hesitant to take architectural advice from you. I might take it from an award-winning architectural firm though. And I think going overboard at this point about its functionality with a limited knowledge of how micro-breweries are designed and function probably is not a good course of action for you.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by rypinion

Isn't the visible part only filled with various tanks and such, things that would be outdoors anyway? That's the impression I get, at least.

Given how integral precision temperature control is to the whole fermentation and brewing process, I'm not sure how many brewers would introduce varying arctic conditions for 4/5mths of the year.

[esquire]

^ One would think that the architects would have fundamental issues like that addressed in the design... I mean, it's possible that they haven't, but I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

[drew]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ One would think that the architects would have fundamental issues like that addressed in the design... I mean, it's possible that they haven't, but I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Architects are 1/4 of the professionals required to get that building from drawings to actuality. Meaning at best, 25% of the design work is done for this building right now.

Issues like Mechanical systems, and how the building actually goes together come long after the pretty rendering gets released.

I think it is quite likely that this is simply a sketch, and very little to no detailed design work has taken place.

[esquire]

Yeah, but even if architects aren't engineers, one would think that someone at 546 would have at the very least picked up the phone and called someone who knows to ask them whether this thing has to be temperature controlled or not...

There is nothing about the rendering that suggests to me they overlooked this basic step.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by esquire

Yeah, but even if architects aren't engineers, one would think that someone at 546 would have at the very least picked up the phone and called someone who knows to ask them whether this thing has to be temperature controlled or not...

There is nothing about the rendering that suggests to me they overlooked this basic step.

Well, except that you can see right through the metal grating to the second floor suggesting that heating the room is at least of no interest.

Drew's right. And because he's right, things need to be in the back pocket until they're actually sorted. It's enough to say the Forks is going to have a brewery on site. Whomever released this sketch to Gord Sinclair (Gord Sinclair!) got way ahead of themselves.

But seriously, who would have leaked this to Gord Sinclair of all people?

[esquire]

^ Haha, wake up Murray, don't get scooped by Gordo!

I wonder if the rendering isn't simply translucent to illustrate the innards of the proposed building... that was my first take.

[drew]

Originally Posted by esquire

Yeah, but even if architects aren't engineers, one would think that someone at 546 would have at the very least picked up the phone and called someone who knows to ask them whether this thing has to be temperature controlled or not...

There is nothing about the rendering that suggests to me they overlooked this basic step.

I think it is highly unlikely the Architects made any calls out to anyone for information, other that their client at the Forks.

This is more of "hey, can you guys come up with something for the new brewery we are doing at the Forks?" And viola.

Not that there is really anything wrong with that, renderings are how we get people interested in things. It's just the nuts and bolts haven't even been considered at this point, again, not much different that other projects.

Although perhaps the difference here is that the complexity of the buildings this particular architectural firm designs allows for the possibility of significant changes to the final design to make it work, or big costs to the project to keep it close to the render.

I am rambling. I will stop now.

[Simplicity]

Obviously Gord Sinclair having a scoop is tearing this board apart.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by esquire

Yeah, but even if architects aren't engineers, one would think that someone at 546 would have at the very least picked up the phone and called someone who knows to ask them whether this thing has to be temperature controlled or not...

There is nothing about the rendering that suggests to me they overlooked this basic step.

They overlooked the basic functionality of a stage, why not a brewery?

I showed that to my son who knows brewing, and he just laughed.

[Tacheguy]

The response to the rfp will tell the tale here. The cube project didn't have that to provide balance.