YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Hourglass]

Here's an interesting stat. Busiest airports in the world (2015 YTD) fr Wikipedia

1 Atlanta
2 Beijing
3 Dubai
4 Tokyo Haneda
5 Los Angeles
6 London Heathrow
7 Hong Kong
8 Chicago O'Hare
9 Dallas-Forth Worth
10 Bangkok
11 Shanghai Pudong
12 Paris Charles De Gaulle
13 Guangzhou
14 Singapore
15 Istanbul Atatirk
16 Seoul Incheon
17 Frankfurt
18 Jakarta
19 Denver
20 Kuala Lumpur

YVR has non-stop service, either year-round or seasonally, to 14 of these destinations. And cities such as KUL and JKT that aren't served from YVR are on this list because of the huge amount of LCC passengers they handle. They have very few North American connections anyway.

So bottom line, YVR is very well connected, especially for a city its size. The glaring omissions are of course DXB, SIN and BKK. I'd like to see service to Bangkok again one day (used to be served by CP via HKG), but doubt it will happen anytime soon.

[Denscity]

How is Dallas way further away from Sydney than Vancouver is? Am I missing something?

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by Denscity

How is Dallas way further away from Sydney than Vancouver is? Am I missing something?

SYD-DFW: 8,578 mi / 13,805 km

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SYD-DFW

YVR-JNB: 10,229 mi / 16,462 km

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YVR-JNB

World's 20 longest distance commercial flights:

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkb...-worlds-longest-non-stop-flights-mapped/

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

I travel to South America somewhat frequently. Typically I use IAH, or IAD as a transfer hub.

In my mind the lack of South American service is the biggest gap in YVR's network, but then I haven't any family in Africa or Middle East.

Totally

[Johnny Aussie]

Having an arvo avgeek moment looking at FR24.

Lined up at the end of 08R I can see AF369 about to roll to CDG and right behind that is AC102 a 789 bound for YYZ and then AC1176 a 788 also bound for YYZ (delayed two hours)... close behind JL17 to NRT another 788... close behind is a KE 744 off to ICN, also lined up a TS 333 to LGW, WK10 from ZRH, also a 333, just landing on 08L and an NH 788 from HND just rolled out landing on 08L... Not to mention the daily CZ 788 to CAN just lifted off before this mob... definitely some good eye candy all in the last 10 minutes.

Would make for some good photo ops.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Having an arvo avgeek moment looking at FR24.

Lined up at the end of 08R I can see AF369 about to roll to CDG and right behind that is AC102 a 789 bound for YYZ and then AC1176 a 788 also bound for YYZ (delayed two hours)... close behind JL17 to NRT another 788... close behind is a KE 744 off to ICN, also lined up a TS 333 to LGW, WK10 from ZRH, also a 333, just landing on 08L and an NH 788 from HND just rolled out landing on 08L... Not to mention the daily CZ 788 to CAN just lifted off before this mob... definitely some good eye candy all in the last 10 minutes.

Would make for some good photo ops.

This should help anyone saying that YVR isn't that conntected. If this happened at any other airport outside of YYZ there would be massive boosterism!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

This should help anyone saying that YVR isn't that conntected. If this happened at any other airport outside of YYZ there would be massive boosterism!

Too bad I was up the Fraser Valley today I would have made a bee line for the airport for some happy snaps.

But that's the way YVR and Vancouver is in general... I would say fairly low key. The press releases tend to downplay too much boosterism which I like. They have been fairly active on Twitter and Facebook lately but not in a bragging "look what we have sense" just a good variety of news etc.

Oh... And I saw BA85 from LHR (a graceful 744) glide in over where I was last evening and couldn't help but think If I am back here next year at this time I know what I would be looking at instead! And AC195 last night from YUL was a 77W for some reason another beauty gliding overhead amongst the other usual YYZ wide bodies too.

[Valley_Refugee]

I know that Vancouver is missing a lot of longhaul destinations. With that being said, from your observations of flights, check-in counters and the like, what flights or carriers do you think Vancouverites use when getting from YVR to: European capitals that aren't LHR/FRA/AMS, Eastern and Southern Europe, the Middle East/North Africa (there's a huge Jewish population in Vancouver, in case a direct YVR-TLV ever becomes feasible.

ANOTHER "YVR is not well connected" discussion? For a metro of only 2.5 million (or even twice that size, to be frank) it is very well connected. The end.

Also, I disagree Vancouver has a huge Jewish population. My recollection of the census figures is it is something in the neighbourhood of 30,000.

[trofirhen]

Would Rome or Madrid be useful destinations for YVR? I was thinking of Southern Europe, and the large Italian poluation in Vancouver in the case of Rome.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Too bad I was up the Fraser Valley today I would have made a bee line for the airport for some happy snaps.

But that's the way YVR and Vancouver is in general... I would say fairly low key. The press releases tend to downplay too much boosterism which I like. They have been fairly active on Twitter and Facebook lately but not in a bragging "look what we have sense" just a good variety of news etc.

Oh... And I saw BA85 from LHR (a graceful 744) glide in over where I was last evening and couldn't help but think If I am back here next year at this time I know what I would be looking at instead! And AC195 last night from YUL was a 77W for some reason another beauty gliding overhead amongst the other usual YYZ wide bodies too.

BA A380 daily so sick!!

[urbancanadian]

Here's something that could be fun to try to figure out:

What is the most populous city in the world that you can't reach within a single connection, from YVR?

In other words, the largest city that requires at least three flights to get to.

[nname]

Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Here's something that could be fun to try to figure out:

What is the most populous city in the world that you can't reach within a single connection, from YVR?

In other words, the largest city that requires at least three flights to get to.

Belo Horizonte, Brazil - population 5.8 millions

This could be reachable via Miami, Orlando (starting November), or Panama City. We do not have either of them yet. This will be 1 stop starting next year though.

Bandung, Indonesia - population 5.7 millions

This will be 2 stops for foreseeable future until we get direct flights to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur. The city is 1.5hr drive from Jakarta though, which is 1 stop from here.

Others I found:

Surat, India (5.4mil) - no international route, need direct flight to Delhi
Khartoum, Sudan (5.1mil) - need Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha, Kuwait, Istanbul, Jeddah ....
Alexandria, Egypt (4.7mil) - need Athens, Cairo, Dubai, Doha, Kuwait, Istanbul, Jeddah ....
Kabul, Afghanistan (4.6mil) - need Dubai, Istanbul, Tehran, Moscow, or Delhi

Honorable mentions:
Kinshasa, DR Congo (11.6mil) - Only reachable via Paris by Air France
Ahmedabad, India (6.4mil) - Only reachable via Newark by Air India
Abidjan, Ivory Coast (4.8mil) - Only reachable via Paris by Air France

So in summary, 6 of the top 100 metro areas in the world (from wikipedia) are not reachable with 1 stop from YVR.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

I travel to South America somewhat frequently. Typically I use IAH, or IAD as a transfer hub.

In my mind the lack of South American service is the biggest gap in YVR's network, but then I haven't any family in Africa or Middle East.

Yeah I flew YVR-YYZ-SCL-EZE recently. A big zigzag.

[trofirhen]

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[Klazu]

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[Johnny Aussie]

Over the last couple of days airlineroute.net has posted a few tweets and general updates on its website regarding the rationalisation of MNL-YVR and the onward YYZ and JFK flights.

It appears PR is dropping the YVR terminator flights, reducing MNL-YVR-YYZ and upgauging MNL-YVR-JFK to 77Ws.

So overall it looks like:

MNL-YVR-YYZ and vv will be three weekly 77Ws
MNL-YVR-JFK and vv will be four weekly 77Ws

So YVR-MNL will become daily on an all 77W schedule.

This to me makes way more sense than the flood of flights and seats they threw on this route when they launched JFK.

Once there is an overall update I will post it.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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It appears PR is dropping the YVR terminator flights, reducing MNL-YVR-YYZ and upgauging MNL-YVR-JFK to 77Ws.

So overall it looks like:

MNL-YVR-YYZ and vv will be three weekly 77Ws
MNL-YVR-JFK and vv will be four weekly 77Ws

So YVR-MNL will become daily on an all 77W schedule.

This to me makes way more sense than the flood of flights and seats they threw on this route when they launched JFK......

Does this config work out to about the same number of pax?

[Hot Rod]

for some reason I thought Aukland-YVR was the longest route for Vancouver and longer than Syd-YVR. Why was there no mention of Air New Zealand AUK-YVR in that list?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

for some reason I thought Aukland-YVR was the longest route for Vancouver and longer than Syd-YVR. Why was there no mention of Air New Zealand AUK-YVR in that list?

distance YVR SYD 7778 miles.
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-syd/

distance YVR AKL 7068 miles
www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-syd/

I guess there are a number of route lengths in between.

[Hot Rod]

thanks, I needed that.