New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 124

suburbia · #**2461** Posted **Aug 12, 2015, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

The Sun's Dave Dormer on twitter:

"Source says @CalgaryNext project will include arena for @NHLFlames and fieldhouse for @calstampeders, proposed for west end of downtown #yyc"

Darn. But there is still time to help him see the light.

craner · #**2462** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 12:23 AM**

Media is reporting it will include a new arena (privately funded) and a field house (partially publically funded), but nothing about a new stadium.

I will be so dissappointed and pissed if a replacement for McMahon is not part of the plans.

Impatiently waiting for Tuesday now.

MalcolmTucker · #**2463** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 12:31 AM**

Put deployable bleachers in all directions instead of just one, over part of the running track, and you get how many spots I wonder? Edit: Their video says the render below is 10,000 seats. So raise the roof a little bit, make it all the way around, and you have 30,000 easy.

Source: Calgary Multisport Fieldhouse Society

polishavenger · #**2464** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Put deployable bleachers in all directions instead of just one, over part of the running track, and you get how many spots I wonder? Edit: Their video says the render below is 10,000 seats. So raise the roof a little bit, make it all the way around, and you have 30,000 easy.

Source: Calgary Multisport Fieldhouse Society

Having a track between the first levels of seats reduces the quality of the spectator experience, so if you would like a multi use facility I would suggest having bleachers retract over top of the track.

suburbia · #**2465** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 1:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by polishavenger

... if you would like a multi use facility I would suggest having bleachers retract over top of the track.

That would make for a horrendous viewing experience for track. There must be a system out there that you can move completely on to the track and then completely pull back as is. Just thinking out loud - I can imagine different challenges for such a system.

MalcolmTucker · #**2466** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

That would make for a horrendous viewing experience for track. There must be a system out there that you can move completely on to the track and then completely pull back as is. Just thinking out loud - I can imagine different challenges for such a system.

That is what I meant, but yeah, huge challenges. The university moves bleachers over hardwood, and expensive engineering can fix almost anything.

In the image above, track and field are the sports they are designing to be the primary use for the bleachers, so the setup makes sense. It would certainly be possible to not deploy the bleachers all the way, so you could do both over some or all of the track, and with some leeway.

bt04ku · #**2467** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 3:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

Media is reporting it will include a new arena (privately funded) and a field house (partially publically funded), but nothing about a new stadium.

I will be so dissappointed and pissed if a replacement for McMahon is not part of the plans.

Impatiently waiting for Tuesday now.

It could be that a stadium is in the long term plans, but not the short term ones. Given the revenue at stake, getting a new arena up is a much more pressing matter than a stadium for the Flames ownership and taking on all that debt all at once might not be the best option for them.

Just to throw out more speculation: it could be that a stadium is dependent on road re-routing and it might not be logistically feasible for the city and team to take on all projects at once. Or my favorite bit of wild speculation: there is substance to the Olympic bid rumours and they will push for multi-level government funding for the stadium as a part of that bid after showing how responsible they are to the community by building the arena all on their own.

I'm generally against adding fuel to rumours but they brought it on themselves with these all this dilly-dallying.

red_179 · #**2468** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

Media is reporting it will include a new arena (privately funded) and a field house (partially publically funded), but nothing about a new stadium.

I will be so dissappointed and pissed if a replacement for McMahon is not part of the plans.

Impatiently waiting for Tuesday now.

My understanding from the media is that the Fieldhouse and Stadium will be one multi-use complex.

The Urbanist · #**2469** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 3:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by red_179

My understanding from the media is that the Fieldhouse and Stadium will be one multi-use complex.

This is what I gather as well. Similar to what EDM is doing with their community rink and Rogers Arena.

MalcolmTucker · #**2470** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 3:54 AM**

Field house can equal stadium, and make it much easier to get tax payers money. At least the public would get fuller use of the square footage 99% of days compared to today's stadium. And we (as in the city) was planning on eventually finding the money for a field house anyways.

O-tacular · #**2471** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 3:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Why have an event when you're not even going to formally launch the project? This is such a Ken King-ism it's not even funny

It will probably be heavy on conceptual images and pictures of exciting arenas in other cities, with promises of rainbows and unicorns. At the end of it after asking the crowd if they want all the exciting things shown a cap will be passed around asking for donations and the city to fund most of it,

nick.flood · #**2472** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 4:20 AM**

delete

unibrain · #**2473** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 4:29 AM**

This is a fairly good read:
http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/letter-fuels-flames-arena-speculation

*Stardust* · #**2474** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

It will probably be heavy on conceptual images and pictures of exciting arenas in other cities, with promises of rainbows and unicorns. At the end of it after asking the crowd if they want all the exciting things shown a cap will be passed around asking for donations and the city to fund most of it,

At this point I'll take anything he shows us!

Speaking of donations and funds...

Maybe city council should hold a referendum to decide if tax money should be used for an entertainment complex? If people vote yes, then people can't complain when the city helps fund the project. If no, then thats a clear answer for Ken King that the people have spoken and he and his buddies have to pay for it themselves.

CalgaryAlex · #**2475** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 2:35 PM**

With the tagline "Live, Work, Play", there could be significant residential and office space included in the design. I wonder if the CMLC is involved and will propose an EV-style redevelopment including the Bow Trail realignment?

In any case, I'm excited for Tuesday, but not holding my breath since Ken King is a fat bag of hot air and never seems able to render the courage to perform the big reveal. It's like he develops an incurable stammer as soon as "new arena" is mentioned. So expectations are low, but with it being a live meeting instead of a radio show, more could come to light. Especially when attendees start throwing shit at him, demanding information.

Surferguy · #**2476** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:05 PM**

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...na-speculation

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“It has great potential for tourism. From our sports tourism strategies, it would be a major asset for that,” said Cindy Ady, chief executive officer at Tourism Calgary.

What do you think this statement means? People traveling to attending games, staying at onsite hotels? Or something bigger? Incorporated bus station/future HSR station?

roman · #**2477** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:07 PM**

With the Calgary economy in a downturn, it will be a great boost to the city to have this project finally get off the ground and will provide a much needed stimulus.

I am really hoping that the arena and a large enclosed stadium are in the works as this project will transform the west end of downtown and propel Calgary into another level.

Full Mountain · #**2478** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Surferguy

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...na-speculation

What do you think this statement means? People traveling to attending games, staying at onsite hotels? Or something bigger? Incorporated bus station/future HSR station?

Delusion? Saying an empty box in the middle of a parking lot is a tourist draw is

Surferguy · #**2479** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Full Mountain

Delusion? Saying an empty box in the middle of a parking lot is a tourist draw is

I dunno. It seems as if this complex will be more than just a box in a sea of parking. Could be wrong though - cant say I am a insider.

Fuzz · #**2480** Posted **Aug 13, 2015, 5:25 PM**

Sounds like he is looking for $200 million of public funds.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/201...algarynext--project-fuels-arena-spe.html