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Old Posted Aug 11, 2015, 7:30 PM
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That might required a crane and a hole cut into the side of his house.
6'2", 215, quite fit.

Sorry, just too smart to waste $3 on something that costs 5 cents and 5 minutes to make. The bread analogy is just stupid.

Never been one to catch on to stupid fads.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2015, 7:43 PM
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The bread analogy is just stupid.
There are many other tasty treats available at the bakery other than bread!

You should get out and see for yourself. Maybe even order a coffee while you are it.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2015, 7:52 PM
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I frequent A l’Epi de Ble. You should try it. Oh wait, it's not downtown.
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it could be argued that home coffee makers, especially things like Keurig, are a fad in the world of coffee. much longer history of people going out and meeting around coffee. the only "fad" like thing about these cafes is they are a little more transparent and critical of where the coffee is coming from and how it's produced, thus charging a premium, but I believe that those practices aren't a fad... plus, they sell home brewing equipment and beans to make coffee at home, so I really don't know what part you think is a fad.
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it could be argued that home coffee makers, especially things like Keurig, are a fad in the world of coffee. much longer history of people going out and meeting around coffee. the only "fad" like thing about these cafes is they are a little more transparent and critical of where the coffee is coming from and how it's produced, thus charging a premium, but I believe that those practices aren't a fad... plus, they sell home brewing equipment and beans to make coffee at home, so I really don't know what part you think is a fad.
I'm for anybody doing anything, but the pretension that accompanies anything that happens in the Exchange district makes it distasteful and almost definitively exclusive. They're brewing coffee, after all. This sort of self-importance should be reserved for things other than one's opinion of how they receive their caffeine.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2015, 8:59 PM
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^ I find the coffee culture to be a bit precious for my liking, but there is no arguing with the fact that it has been a boon to our urban neighbourhoods (the new-wave cafes are about as urban as it gets in terms of where they're located and how they're designed and laid out), and as I mentioned before, they do serve up an excellent product.

It's not unlike the craft brewing scene... even if you don't care where the hops came from or what kind of yeast is used the way that many beer nerds do, you have to appreciate the quality of the product that results.

And I am no mustachioed hipster... I say this as a guy who usually favours Nabob coffee and Labatt Blue.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2015, 9:03 PM
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I'm for anybody doing anything, but the pretension that accompanies anything that happens in the Exchange district makes it distasteful and almost definitively exclusive. They're brewing coffee, after all. This sort of self-importance should be reserved for things other than one's opinion of how they receive their caffeine.
I didn't get any kind of "it's in the exchange therefore it's cooler vibe" from this at all.

It's just like any fad in recent times. Craft beer, craft liquor, small batch this and that. The location of the business doesn't make it more pretentious, at least that's not the feeling I got at all.

Simplicity - as someone who seems to value the entrepreneurial spirit - if these guys can successfully corner a market for trendy, pretentious(?) coffee, where is the foul? Good for them.
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^ Haha, you'd think Simplicity would give props to guys who are turning a simple commodity into a premium product. It's the same model that Hermes uses to turn handbags for women to carry their junk in into $50,000 status symbols
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^ I was really addressing all of the overwrought pretension in the article that i linked. I think the entrepreneurial spirit is great. I was born into it. But c'mon, there's a limit.

Foodie and coffee culture is just out of hand today and it's only for the purposes of setting an identity for one's self. This isn't unlike the wine connoisseurism of the 80's. It's just another signalling device for people who want to identify in some capacity. It's just a reaction to Canadian Tim Horton's culture.
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You're lecturing on pretention? Sorry, but I that very rich.
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^ I was really addressing all of the overwrought pretension in the article that i linked. I think the entrepreneurial spirit is great. I was born into it. But c'mon, there's a limit.

Foodie and coffee culture is just out of hand today and it's only for the purposes of setting an identity for one's self. This isn't unlike the wine connoisseurism of the 80's. It's just another signalling device for people who want to identify in some capacity. It's just a reaction to Canadian Tim Horton's culture.
I agree with this. Food used to be about who you are. Now it is about who you want to be.
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You're lecturing on pretention? Sorry, but I that very rich.
Let's try that again with the correct spelling and syntax.

Nice to see you leaving your usual brown streaks around here before you disappear back into your hole for a little while.
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I agree with this. Food used to be about who you are. Now it is about who you want to be.
You disappeared for a while! Nice to see you back around these parts...
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2015, 2:56 PM
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I agree with this. Food used to be about who you are. Now it is about who you want to be.
The same could be said of many things in today's society. Clothes, houses, cars, alcohol, etc. etc.
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Let's try that again with the correct spelling and syntax.

Nice to see you leaving your usual brown streaks around here before you disappear back into your hole for a little while.
Wow, I got a reaction. I'm just pointing out your usual MO (that means modus operandi). Something comes along that is a great news story and you're so stretched to say something negative that you come up with pathetic stuff like, oh, it's so pretentious, oh, it's just a fad. It looks like some smart business people doing some good and having some fun doing it. And it just drives you crazy. (now you can do your spell and grammar check to make sure everything is okay).
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Wow, I got a reaction.
LOL, little insecure about your abilities to contribute? Good show.
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The same could be said of many things in today's society. Clothes, houses, cars, alcohol, etc. etc.
They sure can. That's why it's incredibly difficult to build a brand of any value anymore. I always come back to the same thing. Think about the ubiquitous brands you know these days; they all have the same characteristics. That is, they deliver something of a reasonable quality (not necessarily a great one), they do it with some value, and they appeal to a broad constituency. But what they also have in common is that they're nearly universally maligned in the public sphere. If you asked anybody about their opinion of Bud Light on the record, they would likely comment that they beer was week and tasteless. And yet 1 in 5 beers sold in America is a Bud Light. Wal-Mart? Everybody hates Wal-Mart. And yet it's easily the world's biggest retailer. Tim Horton's? Here's a good comparison - surely you don't know anybody who will admit to enjoying Tim Horton's coffee. And my favorite? Nickelback. Easily the most outwardly despised band of the 21st century and it's not even close. Coincidentally, they're also the preeminent commercial success in all of music dating back almost 15 years and continuing on. I would almost guarantee you that you could not find somebody who would admit to being a Nickelback fan if you asked every person in your entire social circle and everybody within 3 degrees of them. You wouldn't be able to! And yet?

People's identities are mostly a construct of various touchstones that allow them to project something of significance they'd like to see within themselves. The problem is that what most people want more than anything is to be seen as 'cool' and that's a moving target. That's why things like coffee and craft beer become outward representations of the people who drink them: they're 'genuine' and somewhat subversive to the pervasive culture, and they allow the user to extrinsically espouse a sense of fairness and equitability. But nobody actually cares about gourmet coffee and craft beer to die on those hills. When they become even remotely mainstream, they no longer allow the user to hold them out as evidence of their independent thinking as diversion from the hive mind. The products lose their currency. And people move on to the next thing which might mean urban chicken farming or something equally as ridiculous but equally effective in its ability to give people a sense of subversion from the society that they see as a trap.

That's why I don't care about somebody's overwrought description of their coffee-brewing technique because it's just a show. It has no long-term value. It's only purpose is to exist as an indictment of everyday people.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2015, 3:48 PM
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The same could be said of many things in today's society. Clothes, houses, cars, alcohol, etc. etc.
Very true. The entire Organic food industry is another example. Vegans would surely agree with me. The location for any of the above mentioned lifestyle choices is quite irrelevant in the discussion.
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People's identities are mostly a construct of various touchstones that allow them to project something of significance they'd like to see within themselves. The problem is that what most people want more than anything is to be seen as 'cool' and that's a moving target. That's why things like coffee and craft beer become outward representations of the people who drink them: they're 'genuine' and somewhat subversive to the pervasive culture, and they allow the user to extrinsically espouse a sense of fairness and equitability. But nobody actually cares about gourmet coffee and craft beer to die on those hills. When they become even remotely mainstream, they no longer allow the user to hold them out as evidence of their independent thinking as diversion from the hive mind. The products lose their currency. And people move on to the next thing which might mean urban chicken farming or something equally as ridiculous but equally effective in its ability to give people a sense of subversion from the society that they see as a trap.
This stuff is pretty mainstream now, though. 10 years ago you really had to go out of your way to find craft brews, and the weird vac-pot coffee making contraptions were the kind of thing you might see in an obscure shop in Tokyo. These days, you can find craft beer at the local MLCC, and any Winnipeg neighbourhood with actual pedestrian traffic has an artisanal café or two. I figure once something starts becoming a common sight in Winnipeg, it's fair to assume it's on its way to becoming mainstream.

So what are self-conscious image seekers moving on to next?
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2015, 4:18 PM
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So what are self-conscious image seekers moving on to next?
paper maps instead of GPS.

That's how I roll.
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