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comoneymaker · #**5161** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:07 AM**

Walmart, Kmart, Sears, Ikea, Amazon, E-bay and the 1 million other places to shop for chairs, blenders etc. F having a Target downtown. If you really need to go there, there is one 10 minutes away in Glendale.

Scottk · #**5162** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:32 AM**

Except that none of those stores actually have a downtown presence, and some people actually like to look at things in store before purchasing

Stonemans_rowJ · #**5163** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 2:05 PM**

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Where do you go to get random cheap household supplies like chairs, blenders, etc? Target is my go to for most everything besides food and clothing

We don't buy much random cheap stuff since I don't really like cheaply made disposable stuff in general and we just haven't had the space living in a 1100sq. ft. condo with limited storage. We bought a Vitamix 2 years ago and don't plan on ever buying a blender again. Got it from Sur La Table in Cherry Creek.

I still go to Target; I love the 5% off RedCard. We usually go to the one in Edgewater for diapers and some other random things. It's only once a month max or less though since all our other daily and weekly needs can easily be taken care of at the grocery store.

wong21fr · #**5164** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 2:38 PM**

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Where do you go to get random cheap household supplies like chairs, blenders, etc? Target is my go to for most everything besides food and clothing

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EngiNerd · #**5165** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 2:47 PM**

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Real urbanites craft their furniture by hand using salvaged lumber.

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bunt_q · #**5166** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 3:16 PM**

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We bought a Vitamix 2 years ago and don't plan on ever buying a blender again. Got it from Sur La Table in Cherry Creek.

Your blender has a model name and number? Jesus hell, it's not a Ferrari, it's a blender. Cue Marco Rubio on Hillary Clinton: How is she going to lecture him about living paycheck to paycheck? I hear: How is anybody with a late-model supercharged Lamborghini mother f'ing blender going to lecture... any normal human... on retail availability in central Denver? File that under "out of touch."

wong21fr · #**5167** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 3:28 PM**

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Your blender has a model name and number? Jesus hell, it's not a Ferrari, it's a blender. Cue Marco Rubio on Hillary Clinton: How is she going to lecture him about living paycheck to paycheck? I hear: How is anybody with a late-model supercharged Lamborghini mother f'ing blender going to lecture... any normal human... on retail availability in central Denver? File that under "out of touch."

You express shock over owning one of the strongest growth brands in small kitchen appliances over the last few years? Drive down to Target and buy one, as the brand is so popular that mass-market retailers are clamoring to get a piece of the sales, and then talk about being out of touch. If Target was downtown, the Vitamix would be front and center in the small appliance section- not down on the bottom shelf towards the back where the Black and Decker is sitting.

$400 isn't going to break the bank for most of the mid to upper middle class, it's a Christmas present, and no one gives two shits about anyone under that income range. Unless they're putting it on the credit card.

Stonemans_rowJ · #**5168** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 3:40 PM**

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Nevermind. I'm apparently the only one who thinks it's a problem, spending half one's income on housing to live in a mediocre City with tons of buildable land and crazy growth, but no housing. We couldn't be doing anything wrong, we're Denver the amazing, we're the best.

Who's really out of touch? Mediocre City? No Housing?

I guess your blender doesn't have a brand name. Comparing Vitamix $500 blender to a Ferrari. Get a clue.

TakeFive · #**5169** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 4:18 PM**

Yup, Vitamix is the current cult/fad with a nice hand made type of story. Ten years from now most will have forgotten what the thrill was all about.

Admittedly I don't use a blender a lot and it's been a few years but it's one example why Walmart "used to be" worth the shopping. They'd bring in cargo ships full of goods and seasonally slash prices for many items in their inventory. It was the beauty of their then computer driven inventory control. Picked up a nice Kitchenaid for about ~$60 after Christmas. At the time it was one step down from their top of the line model retailing for double that at Williams-Sonoma. Still humming along.

One issue I've had occasionally is that a top of the line appliance will have one piece or part that is not reliable. Oh well.

seventwenty · #**5170** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:12 PM**

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Who's really out of touch? Mediocre City? No Housing?

I guess your blender doesn't have a brand name. Comparing Vitamix $500 blender to a Ferrari. Get a clue.

Wow you're actually calling people out of touch while defending nice appliances. Loooool.

Urbannizer · #**5171** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:14 PM**

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bunt_q · #**5172** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:29 PM**

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bunt_q · #**5173** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:30 PM**

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I guess your blender doesn't have a brand name. Comparing Vitamix $500 blender to a Ferrari. Get a clue.

...will also never be convinced that spending $500 on a blender isn't f*ing stupid.

Stonemans_rowJ · #**5174** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Wow you're actually calling people out of touch while defending nice appliances. Loooool.

My out of touch comment was more to the point of 1. Denver being a Mediocre City 2. No housing.

1. Denver is not a mediocre city by any measure and that is a ridiculous and hyperbolic statement. I have come to expect nothing less though. I should know better than to feed the troll.

2. No Housing. What about the thousands or tens of thousands of new housing units?

This is the same person who famously claimed that housing prices "never go down."

TakeFive · #**5175** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 6:29 PM**

Speaking of apartment vacancy...

A year ago one would need to draw the short straw just to have the privilege of renting an apartment in Williston N.D. Now occupancy is below 80%.

Rumor has it that the oil rig workers were recently seen passing through Cheyenne on their way to Denver to find a good construction job.

seventwenty · #**5176** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 6:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stonemans_rowJ

My out of touch comment was more to the point of 1. Denver being a Mediocre City 2. No housing.

1. Denver is not a mediocre city by any measure and that is a ridiculous and hyperbolic statement. I have come to expect nothing less though. I should know better than to feed the troll.

2. No Housing. What about the thousands or tens of thousands of new housing units?

This is the same person who famously claimed that housing prices "never go down."

Oh I know what you were referring to. I also know where you stand on housing affordability. So I stand by my prior comment.

DownhomeDenver · #**5177** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 7:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stonemans_rowJ

My out of touch comment was more to the point of 1. Denver being a Mediocre City 2. No housing.

1. Denver is not a mediocre city by any measure and that is a ridiculous and hyperbolic statement. I have come to expect nothing less though. I should know better than to feed the troll.

2. No Housing. What about the thousands or tens of thousands of new housing units?

This is the same person who famously claimed that housing prices "never go down."

DOOOOOH shit this is getting good. Hold on I gotta go pop some popcorn...

BG918 · #**5178** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by TakeFive

Speaking of apartment vacancy...

A year ago one would need to draw the short straw just to have the privilege of renting an apartment in Williston N.D. Now occupancy is below 80%.

Rumor has it that the oil rig workers were recently seen passing through Cheyenne on their way to Denver to find a good construction job.

I work in the construction industry in Denver and we have had a hard time finding enough labor for all of the projects under construction and in the works. Part of that labor shortage has been attributed to workers going to the oilfield where they make more money. It will be interesting to see if those same workers move back into construction as oil work continues to slow.

TakeFive · #**5179** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 8:42 PM**

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DOOOOOH shit this is getting good. Hold on I gotta go pop some popcorn...

bunt_q · #**5180** Posted **Aug 10, 2015, 10:26 PM**

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Denver is not a mediocre city by any measure and that is a ridiculous

So not only are you elitist, you're also an arrogant homer. Not surprised.

Denver is decidedly mediocre in any number of areas. Defining mediocre as average-at-best on objective measurable scales. A few that come to mind... walkability, density, transit (oh so very mediocre), ethnic food, quality of architecture, park space (if you exclude the mountain park system - we're very mediocre by every objective park measure), education (both higher and K-12). And most importantly upward mobility, in large part, because housing has quickly become unattainable for the sizable segment of the population that scoffs at $500 blenders. It's hard to argue that Denver is top-10 in the U.S. (drawing the circle very small - god forbid we look outside U.S. borders) in any of those categories.

What we do exceptionally well: Mountains, weather and beer. And attracting educated wealthy white douchebags from other states, who move here for our mountains, weather and beer. And naturally, some jobs follow, so we perform admirably in any number of industry segments.

For people who are not transplants though - who actually come through Colorado schools, start up their career ladders on Colorado salaries, trying to afford Colorado housing, and using Colorado transportation systems - we are decidedly mediocre.

Not to say it isn't home. But I'd rather settle for mediocrity in my blender than excuse it in my city.

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2. No Housing. What about the thousands or tens of thousands of new housing units?

None of which are for sale. No problem for you, you got yours. And you don't get a damn about anybody else outside the $500 blender crowd.

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This is the same person who famously claimed that housing prices "never go down."

Well, not very often. This is not rocket science, we have a Case Shiller index we can look at. Actual data, if you're not familiar with the concept. So it does happen - twice in my lifetime. There was a slight year-over-year drop around 1989, but more of a flattening really. The only real drop in my lifetime was 2009, and we were well back above water by 2013.

So according to you, the non-$500-blender crowd should just wait for the next Great Recession to get in the door. We'll ignore the fact that you basically need to be in the $500 blender crowd to go capitalize on those opportunities at the low point of a major recession - the two times that's happened in my life, I recall normal people tending to struggle. We'll also ignore the fact that even the years of slight decline come after many more years of greater appreciation.

So no, I stand by that, in purchasing power terms, housing prices do not ever come down.