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I don't mean to discredit those stats, but general visibility is much different. I can never find anyone in real life to talk to about the Lions, not at school, work or my rugby team. Same goes for Whitecaps. The NFL however is talked about nonstop in these places, around as much as hockey. I even know more baseball and basketball fans than soccer or CFL. I know it's completely anecdotal and I'm very happy to see the numbers you show, but it doesn't reflect my own experience.
     
     
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A domestic Canadian league would fail miserably. Even if all 3 MLS teams decided to switch, which would need to happen. The Canadian soccer league would be going head to head with MLS which would now be a domestic American league. It's CFL/NFL all over again. The only way this could possibly work is if the MLS makes a Canadian conference or division which directly means pursuing 5-6 more Canadian teams. Ottawa, Hamilton, Edmonton, Calgary and Quebec city would be your best choices. I think the entertainment dollar in Winnipeg is stretched to it's max and I just don't see Saskatchewan itching for a team IMO.
     
     
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A domestic Canadian league would fail miserably. Even if all 3 MLS teams decided to switch, which would need to happen. The Canadian soccer league would be going head to head with MLS which would now be a domestic American league. It's CFL/NFL all over again.
It would be a tad different to the CFL/NFL reality as while a foreign league would be more popular, it wouldn't be the MLS. The BPL would reign supreme and I think this would help a domestic league. While Canadians can attend NFL matches with relative ease, attending a match at the Emirates or Old Trafford would be much more expensive. Consequently, Canadians would look to satisfy their footy fix locally once in a while.
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2015, 4:11 PM
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I don't think that heightened interest in the Seahawks is entirely bad news for the Lions... people with an interest in football can be persuaded to attend Lions' games... I know many people who are fervent NFL fans and attend Bomber games too.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2015, 4:36 PM
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It would be a tad different to the CFL/NFL reality as while a foreign league would be more popular, it wouldn't be the MLS. The BPL would reign supreme and I think this would help a domestic league. While Canadians can attend NFL matches with relative ease, attending a match at the Emirates or Old Trafford would be much more expensive. Consequently, Canadians would look to satisfy their footy fix locally once in a while.
Nah it's mor about money. MLS salaries would be be better. TV contracts will be better more teams in more attractive markets. The CSL would be the CFL of soccer in north america. Better than the NASL (arena football league) but always in the MLS shadow (NFL)
     
     
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This kind of cross-border bandwagoning comes and goes with a team's fortunes. Remember in the 90s when Toronto was ga-ga for the Bills? You don't hear much about that anymore. For a brief time Winnipeggers would head down to Minneapolis in significant numbers to watch the Vikings, but then that cooled off. If the Seahawks miss the playoffs a few years in a row, Vancouver will probably jump off that bandwagon too.
I nerver understood why can't you be fans of both the Seahawks and Lions (Bills/ Argos - Blue Bombers / Vikings etc.) I never get this notion that you have to pick one or the other. I even notice that the Lions and Seahawks try to cross promote each other up here with 'Hawks players at the Lions games and running camps up here for kids.
     
     
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^ Yeah... it's a combined 34 regular season games a year so following both teams does not take any great effort.
     
     
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^ Yeah... it's a combined 34 regular season games a year so following both teams does not take any great effort.
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Nah it's mor about money. MLS salaries would be be better. TV contracts will be better more teams in more attractive markets. The CSL would be the CFL of soccer in north america. Better than the NASL (arena football league) but always in the MLS shadow (NFL)
Players may choose the MLS over a domestic league, although quotas would restrict that, but viewers would choose the BPL over a san-Canadian MLS as they have in the past. A domestic league would then attract the BPL supporters that want to actually attend a match once in a while and can do so at their convenience. How many people in Toronto watched the MLS before TFC? How many of them actually went to MLS matches?
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Players may choose the MLS over a domestic league, although quotas would restrict that, but viewers would choose the BPL over a san-Canadian MLS as they have in the past. A domestic league would then attract the BPL supporters that want to actually attend a match once in a while and can do so at their convenience. How many people in Toronto watched the MLS before TFC? How many of them actually went to MLS matches?
Yeah but at the same time would TFC be the hit it is today if it was an NASL team? It's all about status and a domestic Canadian league would never hit a big league status
     
     
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I still think soccer is a fad and I'm not really worried about it hurting the Lions long term. Just by comparing the Whitecaps' attendance to their TV numbers, you can see the fans are hardcore, but there's not many of them. Regardless, I don't think they share much of an audience. I know I'm stereotyping, but Whitecaps fans seem to be primarily hipsters while Lions definitely aren't. The Seahawks are only doing so well because the team is doing well. Vancouver is a bandwagon city, so its support will reflect that. Once the Seahawks reign of dominance is over, I think their prominence here will wane as well.


Soccer isnt a "fad". Its the largest sport in the world. Canada with its large immigrant population has taken to soccer. Theres no turning back.
     
     
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I nerver understood why can't you be fans of both the Seahawks and Lions (Bills/ Argos - Blue Bombers / Vikings etc.) I never get this notion that you have to pick one or the other. I even notice that the Lions and Seahawks try to cross promote each other up here with 'Hawks players at the Lions games and running camps up here for kids.


For what its worth my family has seasons tickets to the bills, ticats, and marauders.

We're fans of all 3 and attend at least 75% of the games. If there is a conflict we give our tickets to friends or family.

Living in hamilton we support the ticats. Having family in western new york and being in close proximity to buffalo we support the bills. We respect both leagues for what they are. The cfl isnt the nfl and the nfl isnt the cfl. We know what we're paying for and we love it. The ticats are our hometown team where players we knew personally growing up have played for them. They rep hamilton on a national scale. The bills are the big fish in the biggest league in the world. Athough we get behind them because as hamiltonians we identify with buffalos small market and gritty fans.

As for the marauders, my whole family attended mac and ever since they won the vanier in 2011 its been a great atmosphere and great to stay connected to the university.
     
     
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Lions' attendance: After last season ended with that resounding "thud", I believe many fans are taking a 'wait and see' attitude with this team. New coaching staff, Lulay coming back after serious injury (does he still have it?), massive changes on D-line, secondary, O-line, special teams -- what is the personality of this team? The defense has proven to be up to the challenge, for the most part. But offense sells tickets, and it's still a work in progress. Also, it's been an exceptionally warm and sunny summer here in VanCity -- going indoors (even if the roof is open) can be a tough sell.

Upper Deck draping: As a season ticket holder, I think it's a mistake to close off the upper deck. I think a lot of casual fans, who prefer seats 'between the 20s', have decided that they'd rather stay at home, instead of coming to games and sitting in the corners/end zones. That being said, given the decision, the draping is far preferable to tarping. It does create a much better atmosphere -- visually, draping hides the unsold seats far better than tarping.

Seahawks: Everyone loves a winner. There have always been Hawks fans in BC, and their success just makes it easier/more preferable for that fan base to increase. I agree with other posters that, when the inevitable down cycle comes, that the # of fans will decrease, though the hard core will always be there. The other factor for the fair-weather Hawks fan is the C$. As it continues to slump, the cost of that weekend trip to Seattle becomes pretty steep.

Whitecaps: Not a fad. The pro soccer tradition in VanCity goes back 41 years. The difference in the fan bases means that one doesn't necessarily hurt the other, except of course for the "competition for the ticket sales dollar", in which case you also have to include the Canucks, Giants, concerts, et al. A bit of the "everyone loves a winner" element may come into it as well, as the Caps are currently one of the top teams in MLS.

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i know Its not canada but It's a topic of interest with the expansion bid and this thread is all over the place.

Las vegas arena seems to be comming along pretty quick

these are from july 30th





this is from yesterday

     
     
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Yeah but at the same time would TFC be the hit it is today if it was an NASL team? It's all about status and a domestic Canadian league would never hit a big league status
It wouldn't be as popular but it would be playing second fiddle to the BPL rather than the MLS. I'm trying to point out that it would have less competition with the MLS than the CFL has with the NFL. Consequently, it would be able to do decently well. It would be like leagues in Nordic countries or the A-League in Australia that cannot compete with the BPL but manages to do alright in meeting an unmet local demand.
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Lions' attendance: After last season ended with that resounding "thud", I believe many fans are taking a 'wait and see' attitude with this team. New coaching staff, Lulay coming back after serious injury (does he still have it?), massive changes on D-line, secondary, O-line, special teams -- what is the personality of this team? The defense has proven to be up to the challenge, for the most part. But offense sells tickets, and it's still a work in progress. Also, it's been an exceptionally warm and sunny summer here in VanCity -- going indoors (even if the roof is open) can be a tough sell.

Upper Deck draping: As a season ticket holder, I think it's a mistake to close off the upper deck. I think a lot of casual fans, who prefer seats 'between the 20s', have decided that they'd rather stay at home, instead of coming to games and sitting in the corners/end zones. That being said, given the decision, the draping is far preferable to tarping. It does create a much better atmosphere -- visually, draping hides the unsold seats far better than tarping.

Seahawks: Everyone loves a winner. There have always been Hawks fans in BC, and their success just makes it easier/more preferable for that fan base to increase. I agree with other posters that, when the inevitable down cycle comes, that the # of fans will decrease, though the hard core will always be there. The other factor for the fair-weather Hawks fan is the C$. As it continues to slump, the cost of that weekend trip to Seattle becomes pretty steep.

Whitecaps: Not a fad. The pro soccer tradition in VanCity goes back 41 years. The difference in the fan bases means that one doesn't necessarily hurt the other, except of course for the "competition for the ticket sales dollar", in which case you also have to include the Canucks, Giants, concerts, et al. A bit of the "everyone loves a winner" element may come into it as well, as the Caps are currently one of the top teams in MLS.
I went to the Hawks-Cowboys game last year. Around 250 Cdn for 300 level seats at the endzone. While I enjoyed the pregame experience, the game was a bit of a letdown and I vowed that next time (a big if) I would be down in the 100 level or I wouldn't go. With the Canadian dollar now around 30 cents below the US dollar, I would have to think long and hard before going to see a game again.
     
     
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CFL stadium fare has changed dramatically

We rank our favourite Canadian Football League stadiums


By Mike Beamish, Vancouver Sun August 6, 2015


VANCOUVER — With three new or refurbished stadiums opening in the past couple of years and a fourth about to be completed, the rankings of our favourite Canadian Football League stadiums have changed dramatically, too. Overall impressiveness is determined by several criteria. Size, ambience, creature comforts, aesthetics, food …and, of course, convenience of coverage from the press-box perch.

1. INVESTORS GROUP FIELD (WINNIPEG)

"It's a very loud place, hard for a visiting team to communicate," says B.C. Lions head coach Jeff Tedford. "I thought it sounded more like 60,000." With its undulating, corrugated metal roof covering most of the stadium's 33,500 seats, IGF is the ideal size for a CFL ballpark. It has vaulted Winnipeg from worst (good riddance, Canad Inns Stadium) to first among the league's stadiums. Equal-opportunity washrooms (14 for each gender) with separate entrances and exits ensure flow-through traffic from the rum huts and vodka bars on the concourse level, where fans can view the game, on the field or from one of 250 TV monitors, while plunking down $12 for a 16-oz. cup of premium beer.

Downside: Stadium is a long hike from Portage Avenue and traffic snarls on the way to the game are a regular occurrence.

2. TD PLACE STADIUM (OTTAWA)

Part of the $450-million Lansdowne Park restaurant, shopping and residential project south of the downtown core, TD Place Stadium trumps every other CFL outdoor venue for its neighbourhood vibe. Outside its doors are a host of trendy bars and restaurants for pre- and post-game noshing and imbibing. Inside the young, urban crowd seems bent on having a good time (not necessarily hung up on watching a good football game). Crowd circulation has been criticized for its lack of flow, however, especially when fans try to access concessions and rest rooms. The Ottawa Citizen's RedBlacks beat writer, Gord Holder, gives the media facilities a similar "mixed review." Good sight lines a plus.

Downside: Limited washrooms and congested elevators (locker room better accessed through the stairwells) are minuses.

3. TIM HORTONS FIELD (HAMILTON)

Pivoted 90 degrees to afford better sight lines and protection from the blustery winds that blow off Lake Ontario and Burlington Bay, Tim Hortons Field has risen phoenix-like from the footprint of old Ivor Wynne Stadium to provide Hamiltonians with unimagined luxury: Minimum 19-inch-wide seats, ranging to 21 inches, with armrests and cupholders, a far cry from the bench seating that was a throwback to football's prehistoric past. "It's also all about the quality of the bathrooms, too," says Ticats reporter Carol Phillips, recalling that the women's bathroom in the press box at Ivor Wynne could never be locked, resulting in some embarrassing trips to the biffy.

Downsides: Concession food is unimaginative and not cheap; better bring binoculars when heading to the upper-stratosphere press box.

4. BC PLACE STADIUM (VANCOUVER)

Given a half-billion-dollar facelift at public expense, many times the original estimate, the appeal and attraction of BC Place varies wildly, depending on whether you're a fed-up provincial taxpayer or an enthralled out-of-town visitor raving about the innovative concession food, the iconic LED windows and the giant JumboTron. "I personally love covering games at BC Place," says CFL writer Kirk Penton of the Winnipeg Sun. "The view from the press box is the best in the league — by a mile.”

Downsides: Nonetheless, the stadium's biggest failing is its sheer size — 54,500 seats. Lacking both intimacy, fans and, this season, a half-time show beyond the appearance of three talking heads, the esprit under the retractable-roofed stadium is found wanting. It doesn't even have a catchy nickname.

5. PERCIVAL MOLSON STADIUM (MONTREAL)

The most worshipped cathedrals of sport blend tradition with some cutting-edge amenities (Soldier Field, Wrigley Field in Chicago). As such, Molson Stadium, which literally opened 100 years ago, works on one level — the views of downtown Montreal, looking south, and Mount Royal, to the north, are stunning. Wrought-iron fencing and stonework were used to blend seamlessly the old stadium with the expansion on the southside grandstands.

Downsides: For first-time visitors who don’t bring seat cushions or wear Vibram-soled hiking boots, the stadium’s lack of creature comforts can be off-putting. The seating is on benches, with no backs, and the climb to the nose-bleed seats is steep, without railings to cling to. Scary. It's professional football at its most scenic — and its most basic.

6. MOSAIC STADIUM (REGINA)

Broiling in the summer, freezing in the late fall, Roughrider fans have to be as tough as the hardy prairie homesteaders who carved out a living on the grasslands. Prairie madness, once brought on by isolation, has given way to mania for the province's football team. Nobody has more fun at a CFL game than the Melonheads, about to take possession of a new $278-million stadium, just to the west, on Elphinstone Street, when it's finished next year. Fans will take the good memories of Mosaic Stadium with them.

Downsides: The bad ones — long beer lines, sketchy washrooms, the human tide ingressing and egressing up and down labyrinthine ramps — will linger not so much. "There is comfort in visiting Mosaic Stadium (for the tradition)," says Regina Leader-Post sports columnist Rob Vanstone. "But it is simply not a comfortable place to watch a game."

7. COMMONWEALTH STADIUM (EDMONTON)

Albertans know how to stretch a buck. Closing in on 40 years since it opened for the 1978 Commonwealth Games, the expanded and renovated home of the Eskimos is fresh from another rehabilitation and continues to buck the ravages of time and the lethal northern Alberta winters. Commonwealth scores major points for being close to light-rail transit. Any holder of a pre-paid football ticket gets to travel there for free.

Downsides: It takes a good-sized Alberta city, the population of Fort McMurray, to fill it. And with a running track surrounding the field and reminding everyone of the stadium's roots, you can barely make out the players from a long way up. "It's very sterile," says CFL writer Frank Zicarelli of the Toronto Sun. "And I hate the enclosed press box."

8. McMAHON STADIUM (CALGARY)

Calgary is the undisputed tailgating champion of the CFL, although the parking lot action at Fort Whoop-Up can resemble an Arctic street fair when the thermometer tumbles.

Downsides: McMahon’s usefulness as a football stadium (it’s 55 years old and shows every one of those years) also leaves us cold. “Not only does it look like a dinosaur (her daughter is a paleontologist), it has that feel as well,” says Rita Mingo of the Calgary Herald. “The concourse is a cold, grey shell, and the bathroom facilities are horrible.”

9. ROGERS CENTRE (TORONTO)

Since SkyDome (now Rogers Centre) opened in 1989, the 3.25-hectare roof on the mammoth concrete and steel structure has never failed to impress. It has continued to open and shut on command throughout is 26-year history.

Downsides: Still, the staging of CFL games, in a cavernous expanse designed for baseball, has been a problematic proposition since Day 1. "Zero atmosphere and it looks empty with 20,000 people in it," says Chris O'Leary, who covers the Eskimos for the Edmonton Journal. After years of trying valiantly to create a fan experience — kudos to the kickin' pep band, the Argonotes — the football team hopes a move to BMO Field next season, under the MLSE banner, can be its salvation.
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mosaic and molson ahead of commonwealth? not sure about that.

also they put too much consideration into the press box.

is this a ranking based on what fans are to expect, or what the press is to expect?
     
     
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Seriously, who gives a rats arse about press boxes....
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Seriously, who gives a rats arse about press boxes....
The press?
     
     
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