Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[st7860]

Originally Posted by nname

Still $2.10 for Compass stored value.

(Source, page 48)

Oh ok so no problem


I picked up a compass card today from the west coast express office at the second floor of waterfront station in suite 295. anyone can get one

[Bcasey25raptor]

Read the comments on the vancouver sun.

Complaints complaints complaints.

You could make the transit system free and vancouverites would STILL bitch.

Probably the most entitled people in the country.

Malcolm even claimed this is the "beginning" of privatization.

Fear mongering, anti translink posting nonsense. I'm tired of the ignorance and entitlement of vancouverites.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

.@jordanbateman w/ Canadian Taxpayers' Federation thinks people will try to take bus over #SkyTrain b/c of fare zone elimination on buses.

Holy shit, he's right. I can get from home to work by 8:54 if I leave at 7:13, and I get to take three different bus routes (155, 100, 17), all of which can be affected by traffic so I have a greater chance of missing a connection. This is way better than leaving at 8:10 and getting to work at 8:45, all so I can save $1.25. What a deal!

Seriously, Jordan Bateman has no idea what he's talking about. Why does the media go to him for things like this?

[Sheba]

The Evergreen plans showed the 160 and 190 being combined into one route and going from Coquitlam to Brentwood Station instead of downtown. With the Compass change I wouldn't be surprised if they start it this fall instead.

[Vin]

But now the problem is, could a 2 or 3-zone monthly pass be potentially more expensive than just paying for each ride?

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Read the comments on the vancouver sun.

Complaints complaints complaints.

You could make the transit system free and vancouverites would STILL bitch.

Probably the most entitled people in the country.

Malcolm even claimed this is the "beginning" of privatization.

Fear mongering, anti translink posting nonsense. I'm tired of the ignorance and entitlement of vancouverites.

I really can't take it anymore. I wish I could just be like everyone else. While I'd be mad either way, it'd be a lot more pleasant to be mad at TransLink with everyone else backing me up rather than being alone watching most others attacking something I care about.

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Holy shit, he's right. I can get from home to work by 8:54 if I leave at 7:13, and I get to take three different bus routes (155, 100, 17), all of which can be affected by traffic so I have a greater chance of missing a connection. This is way better than leaving at 8:10 and getting to work at 8:45, all so I can save $1.25. What a deal!

Seriously, Jordan Bateman has no idea what he's talking about. Why does the media go to him for things like this?

I don't really think it's a big deal, but I would prefer for everything would be the same. Certain products shouldn't be premium and people shouldn't have to make that choice. Sure it's only $1.25, but twice a day times 220 days a year is $550 a year. It's obviously not the end of the world, but I'm not a fan. And this is coming from someone who stands to significantly benefit from this new system.

Either way, in the press conference the new CEO mentioned that this is still just another step in their phasing in of Compass, not just the technology but also for people to get used to. She does say that distance pricing is the ultimate goal, and so it would appear that perhaps tapping off will become a requirement in due time when they do move towards that.

[nname]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I don't really think it's a big deal, but I would prefer for everything would be the same. Certain products shouldn't be premium and people shouldn't have to make that choice. Sure it's only $1.25, but twice a day times 220 days a year is $550 a year. It's obviously not the end of the world, but I'm not a fan. And this is coming from someone who stands to significantly benefit from this new system.

If anyone prefer saving of $550 per year (or less with monthly pass) instead of saving 1 hr each day with SkyTrain, then they value their time at less than $2.50 per hour.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by nname

If anyone prefer saving of $550 per year (or less with monthly pass) instead of saving 1 hr each day with SkyTrain, then they value their time at less than $2.50 per hour.

Well we already just had people decide they value their time at less than $128 a year so...

Like I said, I know it won't really make a difference. It's just a mental thing for me.

[ssiguy]

So someone taking a bus from Maple Ridge to downtown only pays one zone but if they transfer onto the SkyTrain they will get hit with 2 zones? What about someone going to just Oakridge from the Westend Does this mean they now have a 2 zone fare, one to get to the CL and another to take it?

I think I'm lost.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

So someone taking a bus from Maple Ridge to downtown only pays one zone but if they transfer onto the SkyTrain they will get hit with 2 zones? What about someone going to just Oakridge from the Westend Does this mean they now have a 2 zone fare, one to get to the CL and another to take it?

I think I'm lost.

In your first situation, yes. If the person from Maple Ridge stays EXCLUSIVELY on buses all the way downtown, they will pay for only one zone. However, your second question is false. Both the West End and Oakridge are in one zone, so it will cost one zone. SkyTrain zones will stay exactly the same, so if you're staying in the same zone, using SkyTrain doesn't change your fare at all from bussing.

[nname]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

So someone taking a bus from Maple Ridge to downtown only pays one zone but if they transfer onto the SkyTrain they will get hit with 2 zones? What about someone going to just Oakridge from the Westend Does this mean they now have a 2 zone fare, one to get to the CL and another to take it?

I think I'm lost.

Maple Ridge to Downtown:
701 -> 160 = 1 zone
791 -> SkyTrain = 2 zones

Oakridge to Westend = 1 zone either way.

The only way you'll be charge with 2 zones if your trip contains one or more of the following:

- Using the SeaBus
- SkyTrain between Gilmore and Rupert
- SkyTrain between Patterson and Joyce
- SkyTrain between Bridgeport and Marine Drive

Your trip is also 2 zone if it contains the following:

- SkyTrain between Columbia and Scott Road

If your trip involve one or more items on EACH list, then it will be 3 zones.

[Gordon]

what would the time difference be between an all bus from maple Ridge to downtown or skytrain bus for the same

[st7860]

Holy shit..I just logged into my new compass account after getting home(you can get them from the 2nd floor of the waterfront skytrain station at the west coast express office) and noticed that not only does it tell you when you used it, it tells you EXACTLY which bus stop number you tap on and off at.

[trofirhen]

Regarding the above discussion globally, this might be of interest.
Just now, starting in a couple of months, ALL commuters with a Passe Navigo, like a BC Transit pass, card, or whatever they sell now, regarless of zone
will pay the same, uniform ticket price set on the lower than average overall cost,cost scale, I believe,
in order not to penalise people living in distant suburbs, such as Lion's Bay or Chilliwack might be to Vancouver. This is a rather more difficult task for Paris, as the catcment area is more diffuse than for sharply-defined Vancouver.
The Paris catchment area is, of course larger, at about 6 million km2. (This is made more complex by the more distant towns and cities that some people commute to, but it'll have to suffice.
Until now, the Paris catchment area was divided into zone 1 Paris (intra périphérique, and the immediately adjoing zone 2. There were 6 zones in total, the cheapest trasit pass starting at 60€ a month, going to about 110€ a month for people commuting from CDG in the North to Melun in the south... (this is only relevant if you know Paris a bit.)

The total Vancouver catchment, or potential catchment, is along the US border including Ladner, Point Grey CBD/WE, the total NS, Maple Ridge, Dewdney, AggasiZ, Chilliwack, Hope and coming back pretty much along the US Border. This includes EverYTHING contained therein,regarding potential commuter traffic.

The Area for the Vancouver zone came out at, rather surprisingly, 2.5 milliom km2) Naurally Paris is denser, but of you consider that, dividing population into zone, in Paris you have roughly 10 m residents,
and in Vancouver only 2.5m, Paris has an approximated density of 1.67 xy inhabitants to 6m km2, and Vancouver is at an even 1.0 xy inhabitants per km2.
Quite a bit different, and denser in Paris, of course, but Vancouver also has the possibility of developing considerably more than it is between population nodes, given the level of density.

OK, cut to the chase: it is fantastic that in a large metropolis like this there will soon be NO zones. Same price for everybody, and not with a jacked-up price, either.
So much fairer than the system in Vancouver - and most other cities. Vive la France. Vive la République.

[WBC]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

OK, cut to the chase: it is fantastic that in a large metropolis like this there will soon be NO zones. Same price for everybody, and not with a jacked-up price, either.
So much fairer than the system in Vancouver - and most other cities. Vive la France. Vive la République.

Yes, well there are certain benefits to guillotining the heads off your leaders...The subsequent leaders work hard to appease the populous

Plus this makes some sense... If you really have to travel 2 or 3 zones you should really not be paying extra for the suffering. And this eliminates stupid situation where you pay 2 zone pass to travel a few blocks across the zone boundary (well at least on the bus).

In the long run it would be nice to have a distance based fares on the skytrain.

[Sheba]

There has been some confirming info on the Buzzer: "...as long as you transfer to your next bus within 90 minutes you would only have to pay once."

http://buzzer.translink.ca/2015/08/compass-card-is-on-its-way-bus-fare-changes-too/#comments

[NewfBC]

Wasn't the 1-zone prepaid fare increased to $2.35 in the last round of increases. Put on hold until Compass rolled out and fare savers were eliminated? (2 and 3 zones have similar increases).

Compass Card Cash Fare
1 $2.35 $2.75
2 $3.50 $4.00
3 $4.70 $5.50

Ron.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

Wasn't the 1-zone prepaid fare increased to $2.35 in the last round of increases. Put on hold until Compass rolled out and fare savers were eliminated? (2 and 3 zones have similar increases).

Compass Card Cash Fare
1 $2.35 $2.75
2 $3.50 $4.00
3 $4.70 $5.50

Ron.

Yes. That is what it will be when all old fare media is no longer valid. Pretty much the day paper Faresavers can't be used, is the day stored value fares go up to that level (maybe they'll give a month buffer, but it is already behind schedule so it is costing them money).

Because of the delays to Compass, they haven't changed any fares recently. So soon after stored value fares go up, they will probably review cash fares. So in probably less than a year, I'm betting cash fares will be $3.00, $4.50 and $6.00 (the large jump to encourage everyone to use Compass and stored value).

[ssiguy]

So if I take my #351 to Bridgeport CL to downtown then I pay 2 zones but if I take the #351 to Bridgeport, transfer onto the UBC bus and transfer at Granville onto the Granville bus to go downtown I will only pay 1 zone?

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

So if I take my #351 to Bridgeport CL to downtown then I pay 2 zones but if I take the #351 to Bridgeport, transfer onto the UBC bus and transfer at Granville onto the Granville bus to go downtown I will only pay 1 zone?

Yes