noirish Los Angeles - Page 1509

ethereal_reality · #**30161** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 8:39 PM**

Thanks for the information t2. I should have guessed the M might have stood for Mission since the building is located on Mission Road.
(although the M on the building faces Aliso Street)

Here's a 1935 view of St. Joseph's Catholic Church where GatoVerde's parents were married.

http://blogdowntown.com/2011/10/6440-28-years-old-permit-issued-to-tear-down-firedamage

Thanks for sharing your personal photograph with us GatoVerde!

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ethereal_reality · #**30162** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 8:53 PM**

more on St. Joseph's...

http://blogdowntown.com/2011/10/6440-28-years-old-permit-issued-to-tear-down-firedamage

and it's awful replacement.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7294653@N07/467681097/

Flyingwedge included a fine photograph of St. Joseph's here: (it's visible in the distance in photo #12, and a close-up photo #13)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6435360&postcount=19366

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HossC · #**30163** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 9:10 PM**

Here's St Joseph's on the corner of Los Angeles and 12th Streets on the 1914 Baist map - towards the later end of the possible date range of the picture in Flyingwedge's post.

www.historicmapworks.com

There's a 1985 article about the building of the replacement church at latimes.com.

ethereal_reality · #**30164** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 9:18 PM**

Thanks Hoss.

Pasadena 'mystery' home.

eBay

reverse

everything but the street address.

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GatoVerde · #**30165** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 9:24 PM**

Found a user group of Queen of Angels Middle School alumni and I thought I would share. The school stood on the west side of Hill, from Ord and north, across from the Velvet Turtle.

The gym, along Hill btwn Ord and Alpine:

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hph...1acaf505a60fefba680486c1b513&oe=56484686

The main building on Hill. The left side of the pic (south side) is Ord Street:

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hph...79a40d4d0fa9a87dd3cb126c7ea3&oe=56529E35

GatoVerde · #**30166** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 9:43 PM**

I think the gothic brickwork entrance is original. Thanks for these etherialR!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

more on St. Joseph's...

and it's awful replacement.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7294653@N07/467681097/

Flyingwedge included a fine photograph of St. Joseph's here: (it's visible in the distance in photo #12, and a close-up photo #13)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6435360&postcount=19366

GatoVerde · #**30167** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 9:56 PM**

A 1959 view from just north of Queen Angels Middle School looking south-east and towards the future site of the Velvet Turtle (thanks to FlyingWedge for this ref.)

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15150coll2/id/8910

GatoVerde · #**30168** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 10:15 PM**

From my map reading memory: this is adjacent to, and may be part of the same structure that houses "El Pato" cannery, albeit, that is a newer stucco facade, which was a principal railroad produce terminal (Santa Fe?) in the late 1800s. I wonder it this is a newer building or still part of the old depot with a new facade.

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

According to Loopnet 333 N Mission Rd was built in 1920. There were many permits issued in the 1940s to California Mission Vintage (and/or Calif Mission Vintage Winery or Company). There are no permits prior to the 40s. It may have been addressed differently earlier.

HossC · #**30169** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 10:47 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Pasadena 'mystery' home.

eBay

reverse

everything but the street address.

According to the City Directories, Roger B Emmons was the manager of J G Wilson Corp. The house in the photo is at 803 Columbia Street, South Pasadena, and appears to have been built in 1925. Here's an article from The Architectural Digest which names the architects as Witmer and Watson.
NB. I've lightened the image for clarity.

archive.org

The house is still there, but it's very hard to get a decent GSV image due to the surrounding trees.

ethereal_reality · #**30170** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 10:58 PM**

Excellent find HossC!
Thanks

Tourmaline · #**30171** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 12:49 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatoVerde

A 1959 view from just north of Queen Angels Middle School looking south-east and towards the future site of the Velvet Turtle (thanks to FlyingWedge for this ref.)

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15150coll2/id/8910

http://www.rapidtransit-press.com/socalmall20.jpg

The "former" Velvet Turtle on Hill Street.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews....dbe-001a4bcf887a/50b96287ebc8c.image.jpg

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/shell...12f7d5a-bc19-11e3-b6cc-001a4bcf887a.html

August 1986:

Quote:

"Several restaurant chains well known in Southern California--including Stuart Anderson's Black Angus and the Velvet Turtle--will be sold by their new owner, Marriott Corp., to a group of private investors, Marriott said Monday.

. . . . .

In addition to 117 Stuart Anderson's and 21 Velvet Turtles, the package includes several Los Angeles-area restaurants, including Chianti and the next-door Cucina restaurants on Melrose Avenue; Harry's Bar & American Grill in Century City; three MacArthur Park restaurants, including one in Huntington Beach; two Prego locations, in Beverly Hills and San Francisco, and one Ciao restaurant in San Francisco. Also included are 147 Grandy's restaurants, only two of which are in California.

. . . . .

Asked why Marriott decided to sell the restaurants, spokesman Robert T. (Terry) Souers said, "We really feel that our strengths are more centered on the family restaurant-coffee shop area and fast food." The company owns about 870 Big Boy restaurants nationwide and 543 Roy Rogers restaurants in the Mid-Atlantic states. http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-05/business/fi-1553_1_restaurant-chains

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Just remembering going to these places as a kid ..... are they all gone?

Lum's
Burger Chef
Arthur Treachers Fish and Chips
Sambos
Red Onion
Velvet turtle
Po' Folks
Farrells
Pioneer Chicken
Charlie Browns
Roy Rodgers
Straw Hat Pizza
Pup "n" Taco

and back then "A and W" was the best root beer served in that frosty mug

even if the food wasn't that good the memories are

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Pioneer Chicken
4376 W Sunset Blvd-out of business, Los Angeles, CA 90029

Red Onion
736 Silver Spur Rd, Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/762173

Noircitydame · #**30172** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 1:00 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Back to the 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 machines. What do you think they did with the machines after they busted them up?

My guess is that they buried them on the spot. Anyone have a metal detector?................... and a jackhammer.

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you guys.

it was a great idea, but the jackhammers aren't going to do us any good - the slots are gone. Judge James H. Pope was the party pooper.

I came across this view in the LAPL

LAPL

Herald-Examiner Collection: "One-armed bandits, 833 of them, found their just reward today in a Los Angeles junk heap. Slot machines seized in a raid on a warehouse, are shown being pounded to pieces by a huge steel ball dropped from an overhead crane." Photo dated: October 4, 1939.

LAT also carried the whimsically-written story, 10-5-39:

If we had diving eqipment, we could go after these ones, confiscated from the Rex and dumped in November that same year.

LAPL

Bugsy had these 2 in his home bar. I wonder where they ended up?

Photo dated Aug 17, 1940. LAPL

CityBoyDoug · #**30173** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 2:12 AM**

There is still one Pioneer Chicken left in the LA area.:

6323 Florence Ave
Bell Gardens, CA 90201

I went there one time to sample it. I was disappointed because they were not using the traditional chicken batter from the old days.
The place is a mere shadow of its former glory. They may have been using Dixie Fry which is similar but not the same.

I used to eat Pioneer in the East Hollywood area on Sunset in the 1970s when I was in college and had some spare coins...one piece only.
Actor Michael J. Fox was also a customer at this location in his early years.

Recipe?.....https://youtu.be/CNWmYtaY9Sg

There have been a lot of places where I would have food that was wonderful...then they close down and I can't find the same taste...anywhere.
This is sad. The solution? I usually have to make it myself.

yelp

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Chicken

It was named after Pioneer Market, a now-defunct small chain of supermarkets in Los Angeles. The original location in Echo Park was located next to the 1980s era Pioneer Market (the original 1932 market having been torn down in the 1980s) and is (now a Walgreens Pharmacy) on Echo Park Avenue and Sunset Boulevard. Due to considerable redevelopment activity in the neighborhood caused by gentrification, it was shut down in March 2009.

ethereal_reality · #**30174** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 2:14 AM**

We lost Coleen Gray yesterday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Gray

"In the 1950s Coleen Gray played a crooked nurse in 'The Sleeping City' (1950) and appeared in 'Kansas City Confidential' (1952)
and in the Stanley Kubrick film noir 'The Killing'. Other films included 'The Leech Woman' (1960) and 'The Phantom Planet' (1961)."

Rest in peace pretty lady.
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Otis Criblecoblis · #**30175** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 3:08 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff

If you look at the front door area of the building, it appears that there are actually two doors, side by side. Maybe one was the undertakers and the other was the furniture store. Perhaps both run by either the same person or two family members.

You know, you're right! Last night when I was looking at the photo I just saw double doors, but now that you mention it they do look like each may be a separate entrance. That would certainly make sense.

Nice research on the Ryan family!

Mstimc · #**30176** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 3:42 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatoVerde

http://www.califaztlan.org/LANoirPics/stjosephs.jpg

Interior of St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Los Angeles and 11th Streets, 1960. That's my mother and father being wed. Church was destroyed by fire c.1980.

In the early 80's, I worked for the Red Cross main blood center at Pico and Vermont (long gone) as a summer college job. I discovered St. Joseph's during a downtown run as was in awe of the place. I'd stop by for a quick Rosary every now and then, and the place was so full of statutes it seemed crowded and alive even when just a few people were there. I remember driving into work and seeing the smoke plume from the 10 freeway the day it burned. I could never bring myself to go into its new generic replacement.

HossC · #**30177** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 10:14 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

There is still one Pioneer Chicken left in the LA area.:

6323 Florence Ave
Bell Gardens, CA 90201

...

It was named after Pioneer Market, a now-defunct small chain of supermarkets in Los Angeles. The original location in Echo Park was located next to the 1980s era Pioneer Market (the original 1932 market having been torn down in the 1980s) and is (now a Walgreens Pharmacy) on Echo Park Avenue and Sunset Boulevard. Due to considerable redevelopment activity in the neighborhood caused by gentrification, it was shut down in March 2009.

Here's a reminder of how the Echo Park Avenue Pioneer Chicken looked in April 2009.

GSV

The next available image is 2011 (below). Like all the more recent images, it shows the current business as Little Caesars 'Hot-n-Ready Pizza'. Is pizza really more gentrified than fried chicken?

GSV

MichaelRyerson · #**30178** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 12:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

We lost Coleen Gray yesterday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Gray

"In the 1950s Coleen Gray played a crooked nurse in 'The Sleeping City' (1950) and appeared in 'Kansas City Confidential' (1952)
and in the Stanley Kubrick film noir 'The Killing'. Other films included 'The Leech Woman' (1960) and 'The Phantom Planet' (1961)."

Rest in peace pretty lady.
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She had a brief yet lovely turn in Red River (1948) as John Wayne's initial love interest. She nailed it.

ethereal_reality · #**30179** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 2:04 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

The Echo Park Pioneer Chicken was named after Pioneer Market, a now-defunct small chain of supermarkets in Los Angeles. The original location in Echo Park was located next to the 1980s era Pioneer Market (the original 1932 market having been torn down in the 1980s) and is (now a Walgreens Pharmacy) on Echo Park Avenue and Sunset Boulevard.

It's really too bad the Pioneer Market was torn down. The other 3 corners (of Echo Park Ave. and Sunset Blvd.) are still anchored by vintage buildings.
The old Pioneer Market site is just a parking lot for the Walgreens, the building itself is set back toward Montana Street.

Here's the old market.

getty

It looks like an Apartment Hotel was torn down as well (for the Walgreens parking lot). Does anyone know the name of this hotel?

The photograph below shows a streetcar turning off the Echo Park Line onto Sunset Blvd., with the Pioneer Market in the background.

http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/echopark.htm

site of the old Pioneer Market

aerial. (I'm guessing at the dimensions)

google_aerial

Do you have a vintage aerial for us Hoss?

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Bristolian · #**30180** Posted **Aug 5, 2015, 2:24 PM**

Just remembering going to these places as a kid ..... are they all gone?

Lum's
Burger Chef
Arthur Treachers Fish and Chips
Sambos
Red Onion
Velvet turtle
Po' Folks
Farrells
Pioneer Chicken
Charlie Browns
Roy Rodgers
Straw Hat Pizza
Pup "n" Taco

and back then "A and W" was the best root beer served in that frosty mug

even if the food wasn't that good the memories are

Farrells is alive and well:

http://www.farrellsusa.com

I went to the one in Brea a while ago and it was nearly identical to how I remember them as a kid. Apparently a lot of people were feeling nostalgic like I was because the wait for a table was over an hour.