Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 126

HomeInMyShoes · #**2501** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 5:17 PM**

From the BBC: Sepp Blatter deserves Nobel Prize, says Vladimir Putin

Toronto should wait until 2032 so we can see how a couple of Olympics go with bidding and actual running before trusting the IOC with any of our hard-earned development.

speedog · #**2502** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 5:20 PM**

This thread should be renamed.

Acajack · #**2503** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

For a Summer Olympic bid? Absolutely.

Depends on the cost difference between a fully permanent huge stadium and a smaller one with temporary seating.

flipv · #**2504** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 6:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

From the BBC: Sepp Blatter deserves Nobel Prize, says Vladimir Putin

Toronto should wait until 2032 so we can see how a couple of Olympics go with bidding and actual running before trusting the IOC with any of our hard-earned development.

Sepp Blatter is FIFA. You know, the organization that let us host Women's WC2015 with no participation from Toronto

flipv · #**2505** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

If this is going to be a common Toronto attitude it won't help the bid at all. Just like Mel Lastman complaining about chanting natives putting him in a boiling cauldron in Mombasa, Kenya.

Yes, I've been to Paris' banlieues. St-Denis, Aubervilliers, La Courneuve. A friend of mine lives about 2 km from what is allegedly the worst of the worst: Trappes.

Some people on here talk as if they are the only ones allowed to travel internationally.

BTW for all its problems Paris is one of the world's greatest cities with a prestige level light years ahead of any Canadian city.

I am pretty sure New Yorkers wouldn't diss Paris or London if they were their rivals for an Olympic bid or something else.

Since Torontonians like to take cues from NYC, perhaps this would be a classy example they might consider following.

Again you're overreaching - I said Parisians were the one putting down Toronto. How does that make Paris look? Paris is arguably one of the world's greatest cities and their citizens seem to need to put down a North American city that cannot be compared.

HomeInMyShoes · #**2506** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipv

Sepp Blatter is FIFA. You know, the organization that let us host Women's WC2015 with no participation from Toronto

My mistake. I do equate the two organizations for bribery though and I still believe we should wait before bidding on the Olympics.

Back to stadiums: I'm hoping the 78m of rain yesterday and hurricane force winds and rain today don't damage Mosaic's construction site or cause large delays.

esquire · #**2507** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

Back to stadiums: I'm hoping the 78m of rain yesterday and hurricane force winds and rain today don't damage Mosaic's construction site or cause large delays.

Did you write that post from the afterlife?

Steveston · #**2508** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:07 PM**

What a difference a year makes.

I'm trying to picture Rob Ford making a pitch to the IOC Selection Committee.

flipv · #**2509** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steveston

What a difference a year makes.

I'm trying to picture Rob Ford making a pitch to the IOC Selection Committee.

Folks, subways subways subways FOOTBALL!

king10 · #**2510** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by ButterMcFattyPants

The Jays should get to use this theoretical Olympic stadium after the theoretical olympics. It worked reasonable well for Turner Field and the Jays need a properly sized outdoor park. You could pretty easily configure SkyDome to about 60K with a reconstructed lower bowl suitable to an NFL field for the Jaguars

Except after using it for less than 20 years, the Braves are leaving turner field....

king10 · #**2511** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

My mistake. I do equate the two organizations for bribery though and I still believe we should wait before bidding on the Olympics.

Back to stadiums: I'm hoping the 78m of rain yesterday and hurricane force winds and rain today don't damage Mosaic's construction site or cause large delays.

The IOC has actually cleaned up its act relatively well when compared to FIFA after the Salt Lake City Scandal in the late 90s.

HomeInMyShoes · #**2512** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Did you write that post from the afterlife?

Possibly. There was a rather large flash of light last night.

esquire · #**2513** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 7:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by king10

Except after using it for less than 20 years, the Braves are leaving turner field....

That's more of an Atlanta thing, though. For some stupid reason, governments there keep building new free stadiums, and naturally the owners keep taking them up on it.

The Falcons are leaving the Georgia Dome, which isn't even 25 years old. And get this - the Hawks are trying to get traction on a new arena to replace the Philips Arena which opened in 1999.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2015/07/27...ar-old-arena-but-only-if-its-reasonable/

So there is nothing really wrong with Turner Field, it's just Atlanta's fetish for demolishing stadiums once they reach 20.

Given that by 2024 the Skydome will be pushing the half-century mark which is apparently completely untenable by modern-day sports standards, you know the Blue Jays will be crying for a replacement. There's the fix. Olympic Stadium reconstituted into a ballpark after the games. The best part is that Atlanta already did it once so there is a real world case study on what works and what doesn't.

Horus · #**2514** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Given that by 2024 the Skydome will be pushing the half-century mark which is apparently completely untenable by modern-day sports standards, you know the Blue Jays will be crying for a replacement.

The SkyDome opened in 1989.
I hope you don't write greeting cards for a living.

"Happy 35th birthday - you're pushing the half-century mark"

esquire · #**2515** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Horus

The SkyDome opened in 1989.
I hope you don't write greeting cards for a living.

"Happy 35th birthday - you're pushing the half-century mark"

Haha, believe me, I wouldn't say that to my wife.

But the point being that if a hypothetical Olympic Stadium isn't used for the Blue Jays, then Skydome will last a few years longer at which point it will be running into the 50 year mark. The government will then be coerced into building them a new stadium.

If an Olympic Stadium has to be built anyway, might as well kill two birds with one stone.

HomerSPC · #**2516** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 9:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

If an Olympic Stadium has to be built anyway, might as well kill two birds with one stone.

So we'll end up with another Olympic Stadium or Rogers Centre; a multipurpose stadium in the post-multipurpose era. I don't think an purpose built Olympic stadium has ever been built for non-track and field or soccer/football/rugby event. And we certainly should not be the first to try.

And I doubt the Jays want a multipurpose stadium no different than the Rogers Centre. The trend is to build baseball specific ballparks, and I don't feel that will change any time soon.

Horus · #**2517** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Haha, believe me, I wouldn't say that to my wife.

I figured so, just pulling your chain a little

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Originally Posted by esquire

But the point being that if a hypothetical Olympic Stadium isn't used for the Blue Jays, then Skydome will last a few years longer at which point it will be running into the 50 year mark. The government will then be coerced into building them a new stadium.

If an Olympic Stadium has to be built anyway, might as well kill two birds with one stone.

Why even stop at two birds? Do you think something like this (Olympic stadium) could be used to benefit more than one location?

Just spitballing here, but since we seem to be mostly in agreement that an 80,000 seat stadium has no place in Toronto long-term and that it would be wiser to build out a stadium that can be appropriately resized and/or repurposed after an Olympics, could a little outside-the-box thinking be applied as well?

Suppose an 80,000 seat Olympic stadium was built at the Toronto waterfront, but built in such a way to be reduced to a 40,000-ish seat baseball or soccer/football stadium. If constructed properly, couldn't some the excess seating sections be loaded up on a barge, floated out to Halifax and put together as a functional CFL stadium? Vancouver used the Winter Olympic funding to rework BC Place after the games - at a premium to what it would have just cost to do the remodeling, since they also installed all those Opening/closing ceremony features in the interim. Why couldn't some other community (communities) benefit as well? Just a thought.

esquire · #**2518** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomerSPC

So we'll end up with another Olympic Stadium or Rogers Centre; a multipurpose stadium in the post-multipurpose era. I don't think an purpose built Olympic stadium has ever been built for non-track and field or soccer/football/rugby event. And we certainly should not be the first to try.

And I doubt the Jays want a multipurpose stadium no different than the Rogers Centre. The trend is to build baseball specific ballparks, and I don't feel that will change any time soon.

No, the idea is not to build a multipurpose stadium, but rather to build a track stadium that gets reconfigured to baseball, much like Turner Field in Atlanta.

How it looked in 1996:

You can tell it was built with baseball in mind, and to go there now you'd never know it ever did anything apart from host baseball.

osmo · #**2519** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 9:41 PM**

Rogers will have to dump money in a renovation. Where else are you going to get a downtown ballpark? Blue Jays are stuck there if they want to stay downtown.

HomerSPC · #**2520** Posted **Jul 28, 2015, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

No, the idea is not to build a multipurpose stadium, but rather to build a track stadium that gets reconfigured to baseball, much like Turner Field in Atlanta.

How it looked in 1996:

You can tell it was built with baseball in mind, and to go there now you'd never know it ever did anything apart from host baseball.

I had no idea. I stand corrected.