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I like the look from the air, but I'm wondering about what it would be like walking by or through it. I can't see it as being a casual gathering space.
Unless they open a Tim Horton's inside...
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Unless they open a Tim Horton's inside...
Instead of drive-through traffic I was wondering how much drug traffic might occur within those darkened nooks and blind alleys?
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Instead of drive-through traffic I was wondering how much drug traffic might occur within those darkened nooks and blind alleys?
NCC board apparently wondering the same thing

Security concerns could prompt NCC to close National Holocaust Monument at night
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Published on: September 16, 2014Last Updated: September 16, 2014 6:28 PM EDT
NCC board member Norman Hotson, a Vancouver architect, raised security concerns after the board received a briefing on the monument's final design Tuesday.
NCC board member Norman Hotson, a Vancouver architect, raised security concerns after the board received a briefing on the monument's final design Tuesday.

Sean Kilpatrick / The Canadian Press

The National Capital Commission might close the new National Holocaust Monument at night if necessary to deal with security risks, CEO Mark Kristmanson says.

Kristmanson said Tuesday shuttering the $8.5-million memorial, which will be built next year across from the Canadian War Museum at Wellington and Booth Streets, “is not the preferred option.”

But, he added, “it’s one of the options in the plan that we have. It has been considered and it is in the plan.”

The intention is for the monument to be accessible 24/7. Members of the National Holocaust Development Council, which was created to raise funds for the monument’s construction, feel that, for symbolic reasons, it’s important to keep it open to the public, Kristmanson said.

NCC board member Norman Hotson, a Vancouver architect, raised security concerns after the board received a briefing on the monument’s final design Tuesday. The monument, shaped like a stylized Star of David, is a complex structure with many different sections.

“I think you are going to have to have an excellent security system because it’s a place where all kinds of things can happen at night,” Hotson said.

“I can’t imagine how you’re going to keep people out of all those enclosed spaces that are not visible from the street.”

Kristmanson said the NCC — which will be responsible for the monument after it is built — is working with “a very high level international team” that is well aware of the monument’s security issues.

“The degree of detail we’re seeing on security options, snow removal options and generally the way the monument will be maintained, cared for and used are probably of the highest level of any monument project we’ve ever done,” he said.

Citizens are “quite respectful” of commemorations, Kristmanson said. “There’s the occasional violator of norms on these things, but on the whole, people are good about it.”

Construction of the monument will begin next March with completion scheduled for December 2015. The official opening will take place on May 4, 2016.

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So last fall the NCC finalized changes to the design of the Holocaust monument
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/e06.0-2014-p55e-holocaust-monument.pdf

But in the request for qualifications document, the specified that a portion of the monument needed to be completed by Aug 2015 for dedication of the eternal flame and contemplation space. Has there been any movement on site? It seems as though this dedication ceremony must have been scrapped.
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So last fall the NCC finalized changes to the design of the Holocaust monument
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/e06.0-2014-p55e-holocaust-monument.pdf

But in the request for qualifications document, the specified that a portion of the monument needed to be completed by Aug 2015 for dedication of the eternal flame and contemplation space. Has there been any movement on site? It seems as though this dedication ceremony must have been scrapped.
I hope that this monument gets scrapped alltogether, along with the communism one. Or at least relocated to a less prominent site.
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I hope that this monument gets scrapped alltogether, along with the communism one. Or at least relocated to a less prominent site.
I would like to see it downsized to allow for it to be relocated to a better location, such as in an area historically associated with the city's Jewish community, like say the uptown Rideau area. Not a fan of giant memorials on highways... too Stalinesque.
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Tendering problems cause one-year delay in National Holocaust Monument

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 9, 2015 | Last Updated: August 9, 2015 8:19 PM EDT




The National Holocaust Memorial, one of the Conservative government’s signature new monuments in Ottawa, is badly behind schedule and now won’t officially open until spring 2017 — a year later than planned.

The monument, to be built at Booth and Wellington streets opposite the Canadian War Museum, will be the largest and most complex monument created in the capital since the National War Memorial in 1939.

The original timetable called for construction to start last March, with completion in December and an inauguration ceremony on May 4, 2016 — Yom HaShoah, the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day.

But the project ground to a halt when bids from pre-qualified firms for the construction contract came in well above budget, said Margi Oksner, executive director of the National Holocaust Monument Development Council, created in 2011 to raise money for the project.

“We weren’t sure what caused that,” Oksner said. “We were all surprised by it. None of us felt that our original estimates were loopy.”

The overall budget for the monument is about $8 million, including construction costs, artist fees, site studies and preparation, the fabrication of artistic elements and the cost of the national design competition.

The development council has raised $4.4 million to date and the federal government has contributed $4 million.

“We were not interested in going over budget,” said Oksner, who said the project’s proponents still believe their cost estimate is correct. “There’s no question we can do this within our budget.”

The monument consists of six concrete and metal mesh triangular walls displaying large landscape photos by famed photographer Edward Burtynsky. The walls will be arrayed in the form of a Star of David, enclosing a central area and a contemplation space featuring an eternal flame.

“We are getting there slowly but surely,” said Rabbi Daniel Friedman, chair of the development council. “Fundraising is on track to build the most impressive holocaust monument in the world.”

After the construction contract bids came in well over budget, the National Capital Commission, which is responsible for the monument’s construction and will assume ownership once it’s completed, surveyed the contractors.

Its findings convinced the council and the project team that the contractors had “overestimated a lot of things,” Oksner said. “For example, they overestimated the amount of concrete compared to what we estimated by something like 80 per cent.”

To reduce costs, the project team has made a few minor changes to the monument design, Oksner said.

Architect Daniel Libeskind has reduced the size of a high wall near the entrance to the monument — something he been thinking about doing anyway — to make the monument more welcoming for visitors, Oksner said.

The project team has also abandoned plans to put a heating system underneath the entire monument to allow easy access in winter.

Now, just the central space and meditation area will have underground heating, said Oksner. “To do the whole thing is not necessary.”

Nor will there be any construction in winter “because there’s an enormous cost to that,” Oksner said. “That’s one of the reasons we’re slowed down.”

The construction contract will be re-tendered over the winter, with the aim of starting construction in early spring 2016 and completing it by winter of 2016.

The monument is now scheduled to be unveiled on April 24, 2017, the day that Yom HaShoah falls on that year.

The development council and project team plan to hire a construction management adviser to provide advice and negotiate price reductions with firms that bid on the construction contract this winter.

“From everything we’ve learned, this is really going to make a big difference,” Oksner said.

The NCC prepared — but never distributed — a media release updating the monument’s status in June.

In a draft version of the release, NCC chief executive Mark Kristmanson is quoted as saying the revised design and process will allow the NCC to build the monument “with better control on the costs while remaining consistent with the quality of the original design concept.”

Oksner, who called the tendering problem “just a little blip,” said the development council was determined to stick to its budget because fundraising right now is “a tough haul.

“We’ve done a great job,” she said. “We were to raise $4.5 million. We’re at about $4.4 million. We weren’t worried about that. But if we would have had to go out and raise more, we were starting to suffer from donor fatigue.”

The council is also seeking in-kind donations for some of the needed construction materials. Oksner said. “Things like concrete and rebar we might be able to get, if not wholly donated, at least partially donated.”

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I think they are all ugly.

What happened to the good old days of a beautiful statue as opposed to sterile concrete and metal bunkers?
I agree! And they're all WAY TOO BIG!
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Out for tender, second time around. They made a number of design changes to bring the cost down to what they could afford.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2015/10/15/ncc-once-again-taking-holocaust-memorial-bids.html
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NCC board approves designs for science and tech museum, Holocaust memorial

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 18, 2015 | Last Updated: November 18, 2015 5:36 PM EST




A reborn museum and a new Ottawa landmark received design approval Wednesday from the National Capital Commission’s board of directors.

The board approved the proposed design of the remodelled Canada Museum of Science and Technology and the revised design of the National Holocaust Monument. Both are scheduled to open in 2017.

The museum was closed in September 2014 when officials concluded the roof on its 50-year-old building, a former bakery, was in danger of collapsing. Two months later, the federal government announced it would get an $80-million upgrade.

The roof and supporting structure have now been replaced and other upgrades have been done to the building envelope.

The design includes a new v-shaped entrance bracketed by a large LED screen “so the wow factor hits just as you approach the front door,” said Fred Gaspar, the NCC’s director of federal approvals.

Because the museum hasn’t finalized the design of the screen, described as “a critical element for the esthetic of the building,” the NCC deferred its approval for now.

The museum must also develop a long-term site management plan, with special consideration given to parking, public transit and landscape design, to guide its future growth. The project faces a tight timetable, with its reopening scheduled for November 2017.

The initial construction tender last winter for the Holocaust monument — to be built directly across from the Canadian War Museum at Booth and Wellington streets — came in well over budget. The need to reduce costs prompted subtle but significant changes in the original design.

The revised design eliminates a planned roof and many of the most complex concrete walls, simplifies other walls and reduces their thickness, and reduces the snow-melting system by half, saving $150,000.

It also removes four expanded metal mesh walls and changes the fabrication technique for Edward Burtynsky’s signature photographs. They were originally to be embedded in the concrete walls but now will be painted on.

“This is actually an improved design,” Steve Willis, the NCC’s executive director for capital planning, told the board. It will open up views from Wellington Street, making Burtynsky’s large-scale photographs more visible, he said.

“I think this is going to be one of the most meaningful and visited monuments in the national capital,” said board member Bob Plamondon.

Several directors fretted over security for the monument, which will be open to the public around the clock. “Some people will see this as a target,” warned board member Carol Loughrey.

Willis said the NCC has made an arrangement with the war museum to monitor the monument’s security cameras. In addition, the monument’s surfaces will get a coating that will make it easier to remove graffiti.

A second construction tender will be issued this winter, with the aim of opening the monument on April 24, 2017.

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From NCC Twitter Feed:

The areas of the original design that have changed:
* Not sure what the colours mean exactly, but some walls have been removed (red?), lowered (yellow/orange?), and/or thinned (blue/green?) in order to save cash...


New Design:

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Alternate (Street Level) Views:



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“This is actually an improved design,” Steve Willis, the NCC’s executive director for capital planning, told the board."

I have to disagree....the design has been seriously diluted.
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I hope whatever scene they propose to paint larger than life on that high wall isn't a grim one, fully visible from the street like a billboard. It should not be too literal, monuments like this should be more symbolic and subtle, especially since it's a gateway from the parkway corridor into the Parliamentary precinct. Whatever depressing imagery should maybe be inside that triangular chamber.
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I think it's fitting that this is located next to the War Museum, as it resembles a bombed out derelict cityscape from street level. And with all that angular exposed concrete, just like its neighbour across the street, I'm guessing that more than a few people are going to assume that it's part of the museum.

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Between this memorial, the victims of communism memorial, two separate firefighters memorials (both in downtown, no less) and David Chernushenko's proposal yesterday for a memorials to bicyclists, I think Ottawa has an addiction to memorials.

It wouldn't be so bad if Ottawa did memorials well and tastefully, but almost all of them are just so trashy, so awful and so out of proportion that I'd be inclined to support a ban on all memorials going forward until Ottawa as a city can do them right.
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It wouldn't be so bad if Ottawa did memorials well and tastefully, but almost all of them are just so trashy, so awful and so out of proportion that I'd be inclined to support a ban on all memorials going forward until Ottawa as a city can do them right.
wholeheartedly agree...
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Between this memorial, the victims of communism memorial, two separate firefighters memorials (both in downtown, no less) and David Chernushenko's proposal yesterday for a memorials to bicyclists, I think Ottawa has an addiction to memorials.

It wouldn't be so bad if Ottawa did memorials well and tastefully, but almost all of them are just so trashy, so awful and so out of proportion that I'd be inclined to support a ban on all memorials going forward until Ottawa as a city can do them right.
Agree 100%
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I'm sorry to say the new design is much worse. It is really now just an open Star of David. The new design has also removed the small interpretive centre which to me was a really key element.
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