Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

the AMT is dependent on the Canadian Pacific, and Canadian National.

Vaudreuil-Hudson, Candiac and St. Jerome are held by CP, while CN has one of Mont-Saint-Hilaire and Mascouche.

the new LRT will be completely independent.

Yes, I know that, but what good would a new transit line be if it cannibalized ridership from other lines instead of attracting new ridership (people who abandon their car to commute).

The new West Island system might be tram-train but to cover 28km it'll need to be fast or people won't use it.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Yes, I know that, but what good would a new transit line be if it cannibalized ridership from other lines instead of attracting new ridership (people who abandon their car to commute).

The new West Island system might be tram-train but to cover 28km it'll need to be fast or people won't use it.

if there are only 5 stations, it will be fast. Métro de surface pour le West Island, Aérotrain pour Montréal-Trudeau. Selon un PDF de la ville de Montréal, fréquence, 4min en pointe/8min. Pointe-Claire-Downtown - 25min. 65km/h

YUL-Downtown - 17min. fréquence 8min

Dorval station would be intermodal

[SkahHigh]

^there won't be Aérotrain AND a surface subway. It's mentioned in the pdf:

A single technology to serve both metropolitan areas and the airport zone

[blacktrojan3921]

Originally Posted by csbvan

The last new station/transit development that we will see in the Vancouver region for a long time?

Well unless Vancouver figures out how to get the money for future transit development (after that failure of that referendum), then yeah.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Kind of ironic. The light rail line will have station spacing similar to that of a commuter rail line. Paying for 28km of light rail track for only 5 stations just seems wasteful to me, but maybe I just don't understand the whole scope of the situation.

I think it seems a little strange too. It seems that the cost of an LRT couldn't be that much less than electrifying the existing commuter line. They could build the extra track and simply use smaller EMUs, maybe 100m long

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I think it seems a little strange too. It seems that the cost of an LRT couldn't be that much less than electrifying the existing commuter line. They could build the extra track and simply use smaller EMUs, maybe 100m long

We'll see how it goes... The Caisse will submit the official projects to the MTQ in 18 months, so by late 2016/early 2017. Still lots of work and studies to be done.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I think it seems a little strange too. It seems that the cost of an LRT couldn't be that much less than electrifying the existing commuter line. They could build the extra track and simply use smaller EMUs, maybe 100m long

you need to have a surface subway to be able to access Station Des Sources and Pointe-Claire.

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I think it seems a little strange too. It seems that the cost of an LRT couldn't be that much less than electrifying the existing commuter line. They could build the extra track and simply use smaller EMUs, maybe 100m long

The main problem with using a commuter line is they are owned by CN and CP. You would be subject to the railways available track time to which passenger service always gets second hand treatment when there is conflict with freight. That is the reason why Metrolinx purchased most of the trackage in Toronto.

[1overcosc]

Ottawa's Phase 2 LRT plan was unanimously approved by City Council on Wednesday.

Yesterday the mayor made a formal funding request to the province and the federal government. The province will probably respond favourably very soon; not sure about the feds.

The mayor made a jab at Toronto in the request from the province, saying that while "other communities" have constantly debated back and forth and cancelled plans, Ottawa smoothly developed a plan and had it unanimously approved by all local politicians.

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by GoTrans

The main problem with using a commuter line is they are owned by CN and CP. You would be subject to the railways available track time to which passenger service always gets second hand treatment when there is conflict with freight. That is the reason why Metrolinx purchased most of the trackage in Toronto.

The AMT is a relatively young agency compared to GO which dates back to the late sixties. Which is why the AMT only owns the trackage on one of it's six lines.

Also, I guess since Montreal is an island, it's more expensive for the CN and CP to build new freight trackage (need for bridges), so the trackage on the island (leading to the Cote-St-Luc freight yard) is important for freight trains.

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Kind of ironic. The light rail line will have station spacing similar to that of a commuter rail line. Paying for 28km of light rail track for only 5 stations just seems wasteful to me, but maybe I just don't understand the whole scope of the situation.

Just realized I misread the PDF about both projects.

For the West Island LRT there are 8 projected stations (5 regular and 3 terminal) while for the South Shore LRT there are 9-10 projected stations (7-8 regular and 2 terminal).

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Just realized I misread the PDF about both projects.

For the West Island LRT there are 8 projected stations (5 regular and 3 terminal) while for the South Shore LRT there are 9-10 projected stations (7-8 regular and 2 terminal).

That's better, but I still think it'd be worth it to add some more stations. I don't know if this map reflects the current plan, but if it does it looks like at least 2 more stations could be placed between Dorval and Lachine, 1 between Lachine and Turcot, 2 between Turcot and Lionel-Groulx amnd 1 between Lionel-Groulx and downtown. I don't know how frequent and expensive the AMT line is, but I'd imagine the LRT line will be more frequent and less expensive. Don't the residents of west island deserve that?

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Ottawa's Phase 2 LRT plan was unanimously approved by City Council on Wednesday.

Yesterday the mayor made a formal funding request to the province and the federal government. The province will probably respond favourably very soon; not sure about the feds.

That's great news. Thanks for the head's up!

[eemy]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

The AMT is a relatively young agency compared to GO which dates back to the late sixties. Which is why the AMT only owns the trackage on one of it's six lines.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that it was only relatively recently (like the last 10-15 years) that Metrolinx started aggressively purchasing track.

[Rico Rommheim]

The AMT has a lot of work ahead of it. Commuter rail in Montreal is only starting to recover from its mid-20th century downfall. But things are going towards the right direction. Frustratingly, the biggest obstacles in its way are two Montreal institutions (CN and CP), both of which seem to do everything in their power to screw local transit plans.

Seriously, — these guys.

As for the lack of West Island stations on the proposed new line, who cares really. he WI is already served by two train lines, and its tiny population of 250,000 mostly drives - and scoff at public transit. The first time I heard the term "loser cruiser" (The bus) was from a bunch of fucken West Island idiots in my first year urban planning class. What matters most is an airport connection. A connection at Fairview would also be ideal. But the buses and two other train lines, and countless massive highways can do the rest.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

The AMT has a lot of work ahead of it. Commuter rail in Montreal is only starting to recover from its mid-20th century downfall. But things are going towards the right direction. Frustratingly, the biggest obstacles in its way are two Montreal institutions (CN and CP), both of which seem to do everything in their power to screw local transit plans.

Seriously, — these guys.

As for the lack of West Island stations on the proposed new line, who cares really. he WI is already served by two train lines, and its tiny population of 250,000 mostly drives - and scoff at public transit. The first time I heard the term "loser cruiser" (The bus) was from a bunch of fucken West Island idiots in my first year urban planning class. What matters most is an airport connection. A connection at Fairview would also be ideal. But the buses and two other train lines, and countless massive highways can do the rest.

oui exactement, ils vont leur donner leur LRT et on tourne la page, une chose de réglée, on n'entendra plus parler d'eux pour les prochains 25 ans. Le gros cash sera pour le core de Montréal, avec le LRT Champlain et au centre-ville. L'AMT qui changera de nom, va penser à ajouter 2-3 stations dans le nord et sud pour finaliser son réseau aux extrémités. (Mirabel et St-Jean-sur-Richelieu)

[Bcasey25raptor]

I doubt the Vancouver projects won't be built. They will find a way to finance them, I can guarantee it.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I doubt the Vancouver projects won't be built. They will find a way to finance them, I can guarantee it.

I've heard this attitude voiced countless times, and I believe it's a huge reason for why the tax was voted down. Why would you tax yourself for something that will happen anyway? Besides, even if the 2 big projects get built–the Broadway SkyTrain extension and Surrey's L̶R̶T̶ SkyTrain extension–the most important, if not glamorous, part of the plan being the HUGE increase in bus service, won't happen.

[Bcasey25raptor]

I was and still am a vocal supporter of the yes campaign, but I'm also not stupid. These projects will be built. They will just take longer than I'd honestly prefer.

My main reason for voting yes was the expansion of night bus. I work nights and it would have allowed me to move a little farther away and still commute home from work at 3am.

[SpongeG]

isn't the surrey streetcar/lrt a city of surrey project separate from translink?