Phoenix Development News (3) - Page 390

biggus diggus · #**7781** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 4:59 PM**

Yeah, I found that to be a pretty interesting comment too. Doom and gloom much over nothing?

poconoboy61 · #**7782** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Detroit like decline?

Let me know when the city shrinks multiple years in a row, then we can be concerned.

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus

Yeah, I found that to be a pretty interesting comment too. Doom and gloom much over nothing?

I said that I would hate to see this city fall into a Detroit like decline. I never said we were in a Detroit like decline. The number of commercial vacancies, a number of decaying neighborhoods, several large name employers choosing the suburbs over the central core, suburbanites who villainize Phoenix and try anything they can do to stay away, and a population growth rate that has slowed significantly makes me feel like the city is on the wrong track in many areas. I would like to see more investment in areas that have been allowed to decline. There's no doom and gloom. I just would like to see more positive momentum before this city falls into a doom and gloom state. Sad that so many people seem so naive and smug.

combusean · #**7783** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 6:58 PM**

If Phoenix were land-locked (pick your city limit line practically anywhere), it's very likely it would have been losing population over the years. But it can annex to the Yavapai County line and "grow."

Obadno · #**7784** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

If Phoenix were land-locked (pick your city limit line practically anywhere), it's very likely it would have been losing population over the years. But it can annex to the Yavapai County line and "grow."

Chicago has also shrank but appears to be doing fine....

Detroit lost half of its population from 1960-2010. It is the absolute most extreme case of decline we have in the US.

Obadno · #**7785** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 7:26 PM**

Have we discussed this?

another project to 12th and Washington area (does this Neighborhood have a name?

http://azbex.com/downtown-phx-gets-25m-condo-project/

a 4 and 7 story condo building? nice!

exit2lef · #**7786** Posted **Jul 2, 2015, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

another project to 12th and Washington area (does this Neighborhood have a name?

It's on the western edge of the Eastlake Park neighborhood.

TakeFive · #**7787** Posted **Jul 8, 2015, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus

You guys seem confused

My head is spinning.

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Originally Posted by poconoboy61

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/294572...-speak-out-against-new-apartment-complex

It appears that is a lot of neighborhood resistance to the current design of the proposed View 32 apartment complex on 32nd and Shea. It's interesting that a proposal like this popped up in a neighborhood outside of the typical areas. I know the city is trying to make 32nd Street a little more suitable for current traffic volumes by removing lanes between Shea and Bell. Traffic volumes on 32nd dropped by more than 50 percent after the 51 was extended north of Shea. If this proposal goes through, it would interesting to see if other multi unit developers follow and the character of 32nd Street can be turned around. I personally would be very, very glad to start seeing some gentrification in the city outside of downtown and midtown. It seems like there are so many neighborhoods all over Phoenix that are just full off blight. I would hate to see the city fall into a Detroit-like decline.

There are positive signs along 32nd: nice bike shops, some good (Mexican) restaurants and other stuff. One of the best Goodwill stores in the city, too.

32nd would be ideal for a Green Streets redo and adding lots of density. /smh @ the NIMBY's.

TakeFive · #**7788** Posted **Jul 8, 2015, 10:01 PM**

Are all these now apartment projects pet friendly?

courtesy: pleaded-jeans.com

dtnphx · #**7789** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 4:09 PM**

I hadn't heard the specifics on the container development on Portland (The Oscar), but I really like the concept and it being different than The Containers on Grand. Very cool.

Shipping Container Developments Make Their Home in Downtown
http://downtownphoenixjournal.com/2015/0...evelopments-make-their-home-in-downtown/

combusean · #**7790** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 6:38 PM**

I wasn't sure what to think about those container projects for a while, but, in the end, I think they look terribly ugly and cheap.

Downtown deserves better than developments made of industrial garbage.

Obadno · #**7791** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

I wasn't sure what to think about those container projects for a while, but, in the end, I think they look terribly ugly and cheap.

Downtown deserves better than developments made of industrial garbage.

Agreed, cool as a novelty project but defiantly not a replacement to classic construction.

PHXFlyer11 · #**7792** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 7:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Agreed, cool as a novelty project but defiantly not a replacement to classic construction.

I think one of these is OK is Roosevelt. I don't want to see any more though.

dtnphx · #**7793** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 7:22 PM**

Well, IMO, safe has gotten us that dreck called architecture we see for the most part. Most of what's proposed is blah and (talk about recycled) crap. At least these are unique and memorable. I think I would like the kind of person who chose to live in one of these.

TakeFive · #**7794** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 7:39 PM**

Eh, I don't think they're so bad, especially in their specific sites. I wouldn't be aware of how well they function as livable units but worst case they serve as a placeholder for now.

Speaking of more conventional construction, it would be nice to hear an update from Alliance Res., Wood Partners or Lennar. Oh, and the Ballpark Apartments?

Classical in Phoenix · #**7795** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 8:25 PM**

I would live in one. I don't want to see an abundance of them built, but I think a few add character.

Obadno · #**7796** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by TakeFive

Eh, I don't think they're so bad, especially in their specific sites. I wouldn't be aware of how well they function as livable units but worst case they serve as a placeholder for now.

Speaking of more conventional construction, it would be nice to hear an update from Alliance Res., Wood Partners or Lennar. Oh, and the Ballpark Apartments?

Yeah ! who out there can take a jaunt around downtown and give us a good old fashioned photo update??

ASU Diablo · #**7797** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 8:53 PM**

I like it!

Plus excerpt below should help dispel some of the negativity associated w/ this public art (particularly one user)

http://dtphx.org/2015/07/08/photos-city-...cture-public-art-piece-to-roosevelt-row/

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The cloud-like structures were inspired by the Phoenix sun and, together, the near-white canopies filter the sunlight and capture the breeze to create an oasis-like refuge in the city.

According to the artist, the geometry of the structures ensures there is shade at the hottest times of the days, but they also allow morning shadows to playfully animate the ground during the cooler hours. The metal is also coated in a material that is resistant to heat and allows for easy graffiti removal.

ljm · #**7798** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by airomero83

I like it!

Plus excerpt below should help dispel some of the negativity associated w/ this public art (particularly one user)

http://dtphx.org/2015/07/08/photos-city-...cture-public-art-piece-to-roosevelt-row/

I'm a frequent viewer and seldom responder to this forum. I think Phoenix is a great city, and I love living here. However, I really wish it would take a few tips from other cities when it comes to shaded public areas, or public areas in general. I realize this is a desert city and water is scarce and expensive, but the lack of shade in such a hot city blows me away.

This project is an example of what I'm talking about. Yes, the structure provides some shade and adds some great aesthetic diversity, but that's about it. The trees are the size of small bushes, and the rest is rock and arid-friendly plants. Typical for a desert city, but it is not pedestrian friendly. Maybe it's just me, but I think some additional thought on shaded public areas in Phoenix is much needed. Thoughts?

downtownphxguy12 · #**7799** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 10:58 PM**

I live about 2 blocks away and like it. To me its more of a sculpture than a park (who wants to sit in a part between 3 streets?). Its nice to look at driving by and will probably be used during first fridays.

There is one more triangle in the area (in front of the recently moved home) that needs to be landscaped.

The trees will grow in time.

exit2lef · #**7800** Posted **Jul 9, 2015, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by ljm

I'm a frequent viewer and seldom responder to this forum. I think Phoenix is a great city, and I love living here. However, I really wish it would take a few tips from other cities when it comes to shaded public areas, or public areas in general. I realize this is a desert city and water is scarce and expensive, but the lack of shade in such a hot city blows me away.

This project is an example of what I'm talking about. Yes, the structure provides some shade and adds some great aesthetic diversity, but that's about it. The trees are the size of small bushes, and the rest is rock and arid-friendly plants. Typical for a desert city, but it is not pedestrian friendly. Maybe it's just me, but I think some additional thought on shaded public areas in Phoenix is much needed. Thoughts?

I think Shadow Play will prove to be an attractive piece of public art -- at night. People may use it as a landmark and meet under it before going to restaurants, bars, and galleries nearby. In that respect, success is possible. I'm less certain about daytime. Your point about shade is well taken. The two best providers of shade are mature trees and tall buildings. Neither is explicitly designed to provide shade, but both do it exceedingly well. Structures designed with a primary purpose of providing shade -- whether this work, the mushroom-shaped objects at some corners in the Biltmore area, or even the canopies at light rail stations -- are better than no shade at all, but seldom work at all times that they're needed.