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Old Posted Jul 7, 2015, 1:55 PM
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^^^ Good information. Thanks King!

I think the point still holds. Spending oodles of cash on upgrades to Olympic Stadium just because the Impact might be in a Champions League quarter-final doesn't make a lot of sense.
     
     
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^^^ Good information. Thanks King!

I think the point still holds. Spending oodles of cash on upgrades to Olympic Stadium just because the Impact might be in a Champions League quarter-final doesn't make a lot of sense.

No problem. The idea of having canada play honduras or panama say in regina(new mosaic) or st johns(king george), heck even whitehorse or yellowknife has been debated in the voyageurs forum quite a bit. Pros and cons to the decision for sure. I can see it both ways.
     
     
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As a season ticket holder, I can tell you it's the latter. I know lots of people who feel the same way too.
While the venue may turn some people off, it opens doors for others. Stamps games/seasons are a great alternative for people who can't afford Flames games/seasons. A family could easily purchase Stamps seasons tickets for the entire family at the cost of getting a single season ticket for the Flames.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2015, 2:55 PM
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While the venue may turn some people off, it opens doors for others. Stamps games/seasons are a great alternative for people who can't afford Flames games/seasons. A family could easily purchase Stamps seasons tickets for the entire family at the cost of getting a single season ticket for the Flames.
I don't know how it is in Calgary, but the individual game prices for the Jets and Blue Bombers are not that wildly different... the Jets have more tickets at the high end and the Bombers have plenty of tickets available at the low end of the scale, but I know guys who are STH for the Jets and Bombers and pay in the $80-$100 per game range for both.

Of course, season tickets are a very different story but that's due to the difference in games... 41 vs. 10.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2015, 6:08 PM
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As an aside - I've often wondered why CSA doesn't use our climate to our advantage for World Cup qualifying. Central American countries show no restraint for scheduling games (against us) at the most repressively hot times of year or times of day, so why don't we do likewise?
Because we were nice Canadians and we wanted to be good hosts. But that's not the way it is anymore. We don't go to extremes but I think the CSA has learned some valuable lessons about making the opposing team any more comfortable than they need be.

We definitely do have an advantage in even mildly cold weather. Aside from their Euro based players, the Central and South American sides are not used to the temperatures we get and it slows them down. Although I think cold for them is easier than strength sapping oppressive heat for us.

We have the leadup to the Vancouver Olympics to thank for when Canada stopped wanting to cater to opponents rather than help us. That also was the beginning of not looking at a top ten finish as being a success and funding sports equally.

Now, if you don't produce you don't get money and the more chance you have of producing the more funding you get. I was sure we would have a big letdown in Sochi after all the effort in Vancouver but we did quite well there too so that is a testament to the new line of thinking.
     
     
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Only 19 years old and there would already be renovations at the Bell Center (possibly summer of 2016) as a response to Videotron being built in QC. The Habs want to maintain the Bell Center as the #1 arena in the province and one of the best in the World.

Among the renos inside, all seats will be changed.
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-Renovate Drummond street, by widening the sidewalks and beautifying the landscape
-Turn l'Avenue des Canadiens into a pedestrian walkway, with the exception of a short one-way street running from Drummond to Stanley street. The goal would be to create a festive environment for every game.
-Shift the main entrance to the Bell Centre slightly East, facing Drummond street.
-The addition of a canopy around the entire building
-Re-thinking the open-air area between the Bell Centre and the Windsor station.
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Wow - new Mosaic in Regina and Rogers in Edmonton really taking shape.
I'm very jelous but hopefully KK announces something in the next few months for cowtown.
     
     
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Some old stories on the proposed new Calgary stadium reposted to get us up to speed on what likely will be the next big announcement for this thread.

Notice it says indoor stadium (March 11/2015)

     
     
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Flames' arena pitch includes new football stadium, amateur sports facility
Jason Markusoff, Calgary Herald April 2, 2015

The Calgary Flames’ vision for its new arena project is a blockbuster that would take up several blocks’ worth of prime land west of downtown — bringing together a new hockey arena plus a football stadium and an amateur sports fieldhouse, the Herald has learned.

It’s a megaproject that could easily cost more than half a billion dollars (sic - elly), and features a component more likely to draw in civic funding support than if it were merely new stand-alone homes for the Flames and Stampeders.

By bundling in a fieldhouse designed for track meets, indoor soccer and other amateur sports, Flames CEO Ken King is proposing to build something on the top of the city’s own project wish list, and potentially gives the proposal the sort of public benefit that Mayor Naheed Nenshi has said is essential if city hall is to become a project partner.

The indoor multi-sport complex could make the Flames project more “palatable” to the city, said Jason Zaran, incoming chairman of the Calgary Multisport Fieldhouse Society.

“A multi-sport facility is needed in this town, and I think if they can be the ones to bring it to the table and get it done, it looks good on them as well,” Zaran said.

His group has been working with the city’s recreation department on a $202-million, publicly-funded development at Foothills Athletic Park, just north of McMahon Stadium. In February, city staff ranked it at the top of the city’s unfunded infrastructure projects.

King has offered the fieldhouse society a tantalizing Plan B — constructing the facility as part of the stadium for the Canadian Football League team, which the Flames own. According to one source familiar with the plans, the football complex and fieldhouse would be part of the same convertible building.

King shared his plans with Nenshi in mid-March, then the mayor relayed it to council in a closed-door session Monday evening, multiple sources have confirmed. But there’s still no formal proposal submitted to council, and it’s unclear when King will finally reveal the ambitious concept to the public, though he did say a month ago the release was a “couple of weeks” away.

This three-in-one idea spawns numerous questions pertaining to Stampede Park’s Scotiabank Saddledome, the University of Calgary’s McMahon lands, and, of course, the City of Calgary, whose West Village lands the Flames are said to covet.

Combining an arena with a stadium/fieldhouse takes up a much larger swath of the property around the Greyhound Station.

The city has been acquiring those lands for several years, and recently purchased the four-hectare GSL car dealership site for $36.9 million. But it’s never been for sports facilities. The land would become part of the West Village blueprint for a future community of condo highrises and office buildings, akin to what’s under development in East Village.

Several councillors have said they’d be open to giving the Flames free land for a new arena, though the Herald could not confirm whether that’s what Ken King is asking for. Nenshi and council unanimously oppose direct taxpayer subsidies for professional sports buildings, and King tried to head off talk of a massive funding request in a radio station interview last month.

“Before any of your listeners have conniptions, when you see our project, people are just going to love it. And we’re not going to sneak in here and steal money from the city,” he told KISS 95.9.

In a voicemail Wednesday, King said he’s not yet prepared to discuss the proposal, which he’s been working on since at least 2007.

“I’m still in the quiet zone,” he said.

The Flames organization now owns the Stampeders, Flames, Calgary Hitmen (minor-league hockey) and Calgary Roughnecks (lacrosse) — but they’re playing in some of their respective leagues’ oldest facilities, the 1960 McMahon Stadium and the 1983 Saddledome.

In Edmonton, the Oilers’ $480-million new arena will be complete by fall 2016. That city’s tax-backed loan, ticket tax and parking revenue will cover much of its cost.

Nenshi has been skeptical about the need for a new arena or for any city cost-sharing. In 2011, the mayor’s office refused to help set up an independent committee to study the project.

The mayor’s tone appears to have shifted slightly last month, after his meeting with King. When asked about the arena at a Rotary Club speech, Nenshi reiterated that it must have some public benefit if it’s to garner public funding, and he praised the Flames’ six owners as “deeply committed” to Calgary and thoughtful about their process.

“Whatever solution we end up with is a solution we’ll get with great respect for one another and figuring out together what’s best for the community,” Nenshi said.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2015, 6:57 AM
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Ken King... the proverbial boy who called wolf.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2015, 2:30 PM
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Just too add to the bell centre post

"There are interior renovations planned for Bell Centre, however the details have not been released. It's worth noting that the proposal does not include who would foot the bill for the project". I didn't see the seats thing though nicko?

I must say I'm a big fan of this looks it looks like the facade of Videotron centre meets ACC. relatively easy renovation going back to my point of franchises moving to these LA Live, Maple leafs Square models.




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Here's a quick and IMO interesting question. Now that we are phasing out the Pre 90s buildings. How long do you think these new wave of (90s's) venues will last? Sap Center, Honda Center, Amalie Arena, Scottrade Center, United Centre, Bell centre, Scottrade Center, TD gardens, Wells Fargo, Rogers arena,CTT ect all around 20 years old. Where do you think that places them in terms of shelf life? Really the difference between the 2010 console energy centre and 1993 is upper bowl concourse access. (Bowl structure wise) Thoughts?



Honda centre is getting a new jumbotron this off season btw


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Old Posted Jul 8, 2015, 3:39 PM
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Here's a quick and IMO interesting question. Now that we are phasing out the Pre 90s buildings. How long do you think these new wave of (90s's) venues will last? Sap Center, Honda Center, Amalie Arena, Scottrade Center, United Centre, Bell centre, Scottrade Center, TD gardens, Wells Fargo, Rogers arena,CTT ect all around 20 years old. Where do you think that places them in terms of shelf life? Really the difference between the 2010 console energy centre and 1993 is upper bowl concourse access. (Bowl structure wise) Thoughts?
I think they'll be around for a good while yet. The dividing line between the old dinosaurs and the shiny new venues with many miles left is the late 80s boom in private suites, club seating, lounges and the like which started with the Palace of Auburn Hills.

Facilities built in the 80s generally don't have the revenue-generating suites, seats and lounges that the Palace and most 90s/00s/10s built buildings do, so it's no surprise that they are falling by the wayside as governments mysteriously line up to throw money at new venues.

The new post-Palace venues seem to be working just fine... since the start of the luxury box/club seat era 25 years ago, there has been no fundamental shift in terms of how arenas are designed. The United Center, for example is not that much different than Centre Videotron despite the 23-year difference. Compare that to when the United Center was built... a 23 year old venue back in 1992 meant a fairly outdated venue like the Metropolitan Sports Center or Pacific Coliseum.

So I'd expect that it will be a while before the 90s venues start getting phased out. If it happens, I think it will have more to do with problematic and ill-thought out locations (Glendale, Ottawa) than the buildings themselves.

(When I say outdated, I mean by the standards of the leagues and their revenue expectations... from a fan's standpoint I actually much prefer the old venues to the new ones... give me MLG, the Forum or Winnipeg Arena over their replacements any day)
     
     
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give me MLG, the Forum or Winnipeg Arena over their replacements any day)
.... I think those people who sat in the upper deck of the old Wpg Arena might disagree with you, lol
     
     
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.... I think those people who sat in the upper deck of the old Wpg Arena might disagree with you, lol
It wasn't my regular seat, but I did sit there a number of times and it was awesome

I will concede that the older buildings like Winnipeg Arena weren't always perfect, but more often than not it was the expanded parts (like the upper decks) that were substandard, not the original parts. Certainly the buildings from the mid 60s to late 80s are in great shape... a place like Rexall leaves little to be desired in my view, it's really just an issue of not having enough revenue generating facilities. This matters to ownership, but no so much to fans, particularly those who aren't there on expense accounts.

New arenas are a bit too flashy and mall-like for my tastes. The old places were 100% focused on the game.
     
     
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Lmao you should have seen Ivor Wynne. It WAS a slum.
If it was worse than McMahon, it must have been REALLY bad.
     
     
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If it was worse than McMahon, it must have been REALLY bad.

It was the worst of the worst.
     
     
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^ Ivor Wynne was to football stadiums what MLG was to hockey rinks... wonderful for its era, but very outdated by the time it was replaced. And unlike MLG, IWS was not maintained particularly well... it was in pretty rough shape by the 90s.

I think IWS, Taylor Field and CanadInns were probably neck and neck for most run-down, crappiest stadium for many years. McMahon was a cut above (it's much newer than those three and was also heavily renovated for the 1988 Olympics), but I guess now that IWS and CanadInns have been replaced and Taylor Field is about to be, that leaves McMahon in last place.
     
     
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^ Ivor Wynne was to football stadiums what MLG was to hockey rinks... wonderful for its era, but very outdated by the time it was replaced. And unlike MLG, IWS was not maintained particularly well... it was in pretty rough shape by the 90s.

I think IWS, Taylor Field and CanadInns were probably neck and neck for most run-down, crappiest stadium for many years. McMahon was a cut above (it's much newer than those three and was also heavily renovated for the 1988 Olympics), but I guess now that IWS and CanadInns have been replaced and Taylor Field is about to be, that leaves McMahon in last place.
I don't know about "heavily renovated". All they did was add more seats and build the Red & White Club in the end zone. The concourses are the same cramped, crappy POS they always were. Its maintained so it isn't as grimy as I think IWS was but when you go to new parks like Winnipeg you realize McMahon is pretty much Third World as far as stadiums go.

Of course I still go and support the team/league but extremely jealous of whats going on in other cities. I know others who feel the same but no one in Calgary is really up in arms about it - they just choose not to go as much as they used to. I think our attendance over the past few years reflects that.
     
     
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