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Old Posted Jul 1, 2015, 6:19 AM
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2015, 7:47 AM
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Summer last year.........

It's just getting tiresome hearing Calgarians constantly bash Edmonton as if the two cities are that different. They are much more similar to each other than either of them are to any other cities on this planet.

It comes down to preference. Calgary wants Toronto's downtown, ....
Edmonton's downtown is an appropriate size for its population and as a result has enough big hitters left who can fill up other commercial areas resulting in shorter commutes for a larger percentage of the population.

But the above paragraphs also exaggerates the differences between the cities. The two cities are neck and neck for worst sprawl in the country.
And both cities are aggressively investing to change the automobile culture. Both cities have heavily oil-dependent economies. Both cities are built around a river......Both cities are fiscally conservative. Both cities have gone through a period of rapid growth and are working towards getting the infrastructure and housing caught up.
Both cities are currently building a ring road. Both cities are very young. Both cities have rapidly increased their visible minority populations and are both currently at ~30%.

Edmonton and Calgary aren't identical but they are very very similar and people in both cities tend to forget that and instead focus on the differences, which are far fewer than the similarities.

Without trying to sound superior, but just objectively, this is so different to Vancouver.
There, a nascent network of rrt route extensions and existing grade-seperated transit are emphasized as the preferred way to go. The "metro" (Skyrain) system in Vancouver already carries nearly as many pax per day as much-larger Philadelphia, and is much busier in rail transit than either Seattle or Portland.
The result is sometimes called "transit-oriented development" wherein the developers build along the rrt line under construction, that a cluster of 30 storey buildings appears in the forest. Also, there is massive town center development happening around certain other major stations in the system, further densifying development.
Some buildings are planned at 35, 45, 55 storeys. These are in the town centres, linked by rrt (skytain, Canada Line) which can attain frquencies of a train a minute during rush hour.
There are freeways here, but smaller in size, scope, and number than in Calgary.
Constricted geographically, Vancouver had NO choice but to go up, and densify. The results are turning out interesting, to say the least.
We build it the way we build it because we have to.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2015, 3:50 PM
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^ Interestingly, Calgary's LRT only trails Skytrain by about 30,000 average weekday trips (333,800 vs 363,800), despite serving a million fewer people. We've got massive TOD happening too while still building new greenfield communities (at relatively high density in a North American context). You're actually exaggerating the difference between Calgary and Vancouver, even though there certainly are differences.

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf
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Yes, Calgary is one of the major success stories of lrt in NA. I believe we are actually number one in this category. There is a reason our downtown parking is only second to NY for how expensive it is. It encourages people to take transit instead of driving DT.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2015, 6:21 PM
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How long before the QEII becomes one long (mostly) urban corridor?
Assuming this is a serious question, it'll never be mostly urban. Besides Red Deer, it's 240 km of farmland and small towns between the outermost suburbs of the two cities. The only corridor of that length in Canada that's mostly urban is the Golden Horseshoe and even it has rural lands between cities that will (hopefully) never be developed. I think that's a good thing - let's concentrate growth in cities and keep the rural areas rural.
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Calgary's downtown parking is incredibly expensive is because there's big demand for it. There are bylaws in place that limits the amount of parking that can be built encouraging transit usage but, there's still an incredible amount of commercial parking spaces in the core. Everything for high transit usage and high demand for parking reflects how concentrated employment is in Calgary. It's a progressive model but, it can't be sustained as the city continues to scale.

TOD in theory is great but, the developments I've seen make the concept grossly overrated. Some high density, mixed usage blocks surrounded by sprawl presents the worst of both worlds. Suburbia but without the space.
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I really hope Healy get's built, and all three towers go forward.
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Big changes in the Chuck. Nice to see the DT finally look like it is in a city of over million people and not Winnipeg.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2015, 9:09 PM
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Big changes in the Chuck. Nice to see the DT finally look like it is in a city of over million people and not Winnipeg.

Our skyline circa 2010 without all the new towers was impressive for a city Edmonton size. Now it just gonna be really impressive
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2015, 10:25 PM
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Big changes in the Chuck. Nice to see the DT finally look like it is in a city of over million people and not Winnipeg.
Both Edmonton and Calgary are actually very impressive for cities of a million. Especially the skyline (Calgary moreso than Edmonton). I feel like when Calgary or Edmonton were 700k/800k, they looked a lot bigger than Winnipeg/Hamilton/Quebec today. I doubt when those 3 are over million they will look like Calgary/Edmonton.
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Both Edmonton and Calgary are actually very impressive for cities of a million. Especially the skyline (Calgary moreso than Edmonton). I feel like when Calgary or Edmonton were 700k/800k, they looked a lot bigger than Winnipeg/Hamilton/Quebec today. I doubt when those 3 are over million they will look like Calgary/Edmonton.
Winnipeg definitely has Ottawa beat though.

If Hamilton keeps up the current pace of proposals it might look pretty solid by the time it hits 1 million.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2015, 12:28 AM
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Winnipeg definitely has Ottawa beat though.

If Hamilton keeps up the current pace of proposals it might look pretty solid by the time it hits 1 million.
Ottawa is not a skyscraper city nor should be it, but it does feel as big as the other 2 one million cities on the street atleast.

In terms of skylines though, when I look at old Cal/Edm skyline pics from when they were 800k, they look bigger than what Winnipeg/Hamilton/Quebec look today.
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Ottawa is all about the street. The CBD at street level feels like a supermassive city thanks to the canyons.
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Ottawa is all about the street. The CBD at street level feels like a supermassive city thanks to the canyons.
Well a slice of one. It always left me disappointed because it feels like a bit of a big city just beside the tall towers, but there's never actually any tall towers.
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Winnipeg definitely has Ottawa beat though.
I say this as a Winnipegger who has lived in Ottawa : From a distance Winnipeg has Ottawa beat. Maybe. Get a little closer and it's pretty clear which one has a more vibrant city center.
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I say this as a Winnipegger who has lived in Ottawa : From a distance Winnipeg has Ottawa beat. Maybe. Get a little closer and it's pretty clear which one has a more vibrant city center.
Yep, from even my short visit to Winnipeg it was clear that on street level Winnipeg's lead is even greater.
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