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Old Posted Jun 24, 2015, 8:16 PM
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Any further progress on this? Can anybody from Fortress weigh in?

This is a bit concerning: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/i...rtress-real-developments-sites-1.3097901

Have these guys actually built anything? Why would a financing company get into development? I'm assuming the original developers defaulted on the loans so Fortress took over the property that was collateral?
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2015, 1:01 PM
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^One can really sense a pattern when it comes to what Fortress is about (cricket sounds). Thanks for that. Welcome to SSP, Finessing.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2015, 2:50 PM
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Very interesting post from the CBC site. It would be interesting to hear the other side (if there is one) on what Fortress has actually built.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 1:10 AM
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Any further progress on this? Can anybody from Fortress weigh in?

This is a bit concerning: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/i...rtress-real-developments-sites-1.3097901

Have these guys actually built anything? Why would a financing company get into development? I'm assuming the original developers defaulted on the loans so Fortress took over the property that was collateral?


from the CEO. The project is a go 50 storeys
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 2:57 PM
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from the ceo. The project is a go 50 storeys
lol
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 3:06 PM
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like people already mentioned, what is the CEO or a sales rep suppose to say.....

nobody will ever admit defeat publicly until the day has actually come.

My house builder was the same way, asked the owner of Bentley homes many times, are you guys closing up shop anytime soon, no work is being done on my house. Oooohh nooooo, blah blah blah.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 3:43 PM
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"... come check us out!"

Um, ok... where? lol.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 4:27 PM
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But Jawad Rathore and Vincent Petrozza seems like such nice guys...


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Five B.C. investors manipulated the share price of a company trading on the TSX Venture Exchange and left a group of victims – including many deeply indebted clients of an Ontario credit counselling agency – holding worthless shares, a British Columbia Securities Commission ruling has concluded.
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BCSC executive director Paul Bourque said the victimization of such financially vulnerable people was a sad element of the case.

"These people were unsophisticated, and were in financial distress to begin with, and now their retirement savings have been devastated as well," he said in an interview Wednesday.
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Phoenix and senior officials including Jawad Rathore and Vincenzo Petrozza separately reached a settlement with the Ontario Securities Commission in 2011, admitting they acted contrary to the public interest in conducting the share purchases by clients. The company and three officials agreed to pay penalties, costs and repayment of gains totalling over $3.3-million.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...share-prices-bcsc-rules/article20519867/

Sound familiar? Stealing from people who are dumb and/or in financial distress.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 4:43 PM
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How does that work? Where do they find people in financial distress to invest in their project? Where do people in financial distress even get the money to put into these? I don't get it.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 4:59 PM
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How does that work? Where do they find people in financial distress to invest in their project? Where do people in financial distress even get the money to put into these? I don't get it.
They convinced them to raid their RRSPs. They were referred to Phoenix by collection agencies. It's all in the article. Pretty simple pump-and-dump scheme.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2015, 5:29 PM
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How does that work? Where do they find people in financial distress to invest in their project? Where do people in financial distress even get the money to put into these? I don't get it.
If you can believe it, Fortress syndicated mortgages qualify as RRSP eligible. Often, more sophisticated financial instruments are only sold to accredited investors. And that's a defined term within each provincial Securities Act that generally stipulates income and net worth at a certain level with both being used as proxies for: i) You'll be fine if you lose your shirt, and; ii) Your income level indicates you have at least some savvy. And it's not a perfect system, but nothing ever is.

Lost in all of this is that syndicated mortgages at the core are complex instruments. That goes doubly when you start layering different levels of financing. There's very little chance that even the reps have any idea what they're selling. The fact that they're RRSP eligible signals to people that they're safe, regulated, and endorsed by the government when none of those three things is true. When people in their 40s and 50s are getting annualized returns of 3%, they start getting antsy. All of a sudden 8% using a transfer-in-kind (to avoid the taxation implications) looks like a good idea.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 2:37 PM
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LOL

Countertops and cabinetry selections have been made.

Now that the hard part's out of the way...

If you're collecting almost $5MM in development fees before you even have a concept, you'd better damn well get to Winnipeg and send out a few tweets!
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 3:09 PM
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"... come check us out!"

Um, ok... where? lol.

LOL..279 Garry St. Sept of this year..
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 3:23 PM
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LOL..279 Garry St. Sept of this year..
Honest mistake. When they were supposed to have been sold out and in the ground by now, it's difficult to gather they meant come check us out 'at the sales centre'. When it's complete. In three months from now.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 3:46 PM
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"Sales centre to open this fall"...pretty clear response from what I read, whether it will or not "open this fall" is another story?

It could of been an honest mistake. Thanks for your help in clarifying the tweet for posters.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 4:22 PM
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"Sales centre to open this fall"...pretty clear response from what I read, whether it will or not "open this fall" is another story?

It could of been an honest mistake. Thanks for your help in clarifying the tweet for posters.
Yeah, I guess Arts being a Saskatchewan boy could have had a closer look a their handiwork had he have just gone to the Capital Pointe site.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 4:41 PM
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Capital Pointe
I'm sure those two words cause much frustration for our neighbors to the West, although it's understandable.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 6:38 PM
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Honest mistake. When they were supposed to have been sold out and in the ground by now, it's difficult to gather they meant come check us out 'at the sales centre'. When it's complete. In three months from now.
Wasn't really a mistake, just that "come check us out" usually means come now. The canned enthusiasm in Rathore's message reeks of insincerity (to me at least).

Yes Capital Pointe (along with virtually every major construction project in their website's portfolio that still hasn't begun construction despite being advertised as complete) just reinforces my own opinion of these people.

Also, construction BEGAN on their sales centre at the beginning of March. I'm no carpenter, but when I finished my own basement I got done about as much in the first day and a half as it appears they've actually completed in the past 4 months.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 6:43 PM
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I'm sure those two words cause much frustration for our neighbors to the West, although it's understandable.
It's ok though, they're just waiting on the permit, so I have no doubt that shovels will be in the ground in the next few weeks.
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