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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 3:04 PM
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New planning commission presentation:

Bulk of the new/interesting stuff is regarding the planned hotel in Oakland behind the Pittsburgh Athletic Association.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 3:12 PM
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New planning commission presentation:

Bulk of the new/interesting stuff is regarding the planned hotel in Oakland behind the Pittsburgh Athletic Association.
I'm hoping the $30 million budget creates a respectable structure.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 3:20 PM
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I noticed that women are the top executives for 3 out of the top 5 largest local companies.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ne...urghs-largest-100-private-companies.html
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 7:55 PM
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New planning commission presentation:

Bulk of the new/interesting stuff is regarding the planned hotel in Oakland behind the Pittsburgh Athletic Association.
I personally find the obvious symbolism of the split color tree on the proposed Stanton Heights sign to be very interesting. I wonder if that will be addressed at the Planning Commission.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 8:24 PM
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I personally find the obvious symbolism of the split color tree on the proposed Stanton Heights sign to be very interesting. I wonder if that will be addressed at the Planning Commission.
At least the brown side of the tree is facing north, not south.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 11:20 PM
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Nevermind. I looked it up and WOW; That thread went toxic from post #1. Good lord, and that is why I NEVER joined that forum even though I love talking about my city (and other cities). Thanks for the heads up guys.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 11:37 PM
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2015, 1:04 AM
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These job losses are disconcerting and recently Glaxo announced essentially shutting down their Moon township operation... we don't often hear about gains of 200 or so jobs, only losses...
That's usually the way. Mass layoffs make headlines, organic growth and small new site locations don't. So scanning the headlines is unlikely to be a reliable indicator of how things are netting out when you add it all up (Edit: I see another poster made this same point).
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2015, 1:11 AM
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At some point the local market is going to reach saturation, insofar as there will be enough (or close to enough) modern urban apartments available for everyone who wants to live in the city. . . . Unless/until there is seriously great net job growth for the metro, most of what we're seeing in terms of residential demand is the local element of the "great inversion" - housing demand for young professionals shifting from the suburbs to the city. This growth is zero sum to a great degree - the city's gain is the suburb's loss.
I'm not sure that is a completely accurate description of what has been going on. The region has in fact been adding jobs--not at a huge rate overall, but many more than the top-level population numbers can explain. And if the City gets a disproportionate share of those new jobs, it could continue to fuel new residential demand indefinitely. Big picture, my feeling is that Pittsburgh, and particularly the core area, is benefitting due to job shift from more expensive coastal cities, and that is a well that could take a VERY long time to dry up.

Of course the current dynamic--loss of older populations balanced more or less evenly with gain of younger populations--can't continue indefinitely. But it is plausible that will end in a way that is a net positive for City population/development. That will depend on whether the percentage rate of young people leaving the City as they form families increases, decreases, or stays the same--only if it increases significantly will that potentially be adverse for the City population, and the evidence appears to suggest that rather than more young singles crowding out young families, they actually induce more young families to co-locate.

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The only issue I have with this is our transit system is set up to get people to Downtown and Oakland. If we head into more of a multi-nodal system, we're going to become a much more car-dependent city. That's a future I don't want to see for this city.
I don't think that is entirely accurate either. East Liberty, for example, has the East Busway. The North Shore has the NSC. But I do agree it would be smart to invest in upgraded transit in places like the Strip, Hazelwood LTV site, and so forth.

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Old Posted Jun 27, 2015, 11:41 AM
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Speaking of which--Oxford (more properly an affiliate) is moving forward with their residential project on Centre, with an increased unit count:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...rs-commitment-for-emerald-on-centre.html

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An Oxford spokesperson said the project is now expected to total 172 units, more than the previously proposed 148 units for the same six-floor proposal. The company now expects to have one level of subsurface parking along with a level of above ground parking. Before, Oxford planned to have two above-ground levels dedicated to parking.
As the article goes on to note, Oxford has also recently cancelled projects in the PTC and South Side Works. I'm not sure that is hugely significant, but it is interesting they seem to be focusing more on the "Penn Avenue" corridor (the Strip through East Liberty/Larimer) these days. Which also happens to be the East Busway corridor.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2015, 4:30 PM
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At some point the local market is going to reach saturation, insofar as there will be enough (or close to enough) modern urban apartments available for everyone who wants to live in the city. I'm not sure this is a bad thing per se though - it just means we'll have hit relative stagnation at a new, higher level of urban activity.

Unless/until there is seriously great net job growth for the metro, most of what we're seeing in terms of residential demand is the local element of the "great inversion" - housing demand for young professionals shifting from the suburbs to the city. This growth is zero sum to a great degree - the city's gain is the suburb's loss. There's also a relative upper limit, because at some point the mix of prices/amenities (both in the apartments and the neighborhood at large) won't convince many additional people to move in.

Add to this telecommuting, and the traditional office environment is clearly on the wane[/URL]. With everything which is going on in our broader economy, I expect that CBDs will be mainly civic and residential areas 20 years from now, simply because a lot less of the population will be working (at least full time) and relatively few of them will be working out of a centralized location.
As a distant admirer of Pittsburgh I'll make a couple points....

Downtown/core housing can create its own market to some degree, and seems to be creating a continuous upward spiral all over the country. Each net increase in residents will make the area more attractive for future residents by adding services, vibrancy, perception of safety, etc. Of course the potential population is deep...a small percentage of the typical downtown demographic (singles, couples, empty-nesters, retirees) actually lives in these places. This appears to be true regardless of how many units any city's core districts are adding.

I agree that telecommuting will increase, and so will office sharing, like 20 people sharing 15 desks. Also, the average square footage per office/desk has shrunk substantially as filing cabinets are going away, flat screens allow shallower spaces, private offices are getting more rare, etc. However many people and organizations also like to to be together in person, and telecommuting doesn't work in a lot of cases. Certain industries in particular thrive on being walkable in the same neighborhood. Often recruitment is aided by being in a good urban environment, close to housing, restaurants, etc. Downtown Pittsburgh might end up a winner as it becomes more mixed-use, making it more attractive to industries that need young adults in particular.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 12:30 PM
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Right on cue:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...llennials-Hispanics/stories/201506280179



That population growth among millenials in Allegheny County is what can continue driving City apartment growth. This graphic doesn't specify where that is coming from so some of it could be from outlying counties, but I am pretty sure given the magnitude of the change, and the fact international immigration specifically was contributing a lot to the positive side of population growth in the County (+11,530), that a lot of that growth is coming from outside the region.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 2:58 PM
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These job losses are disconcerting and recently Glaxo announced essentially shutting down their Moon township operation... we don't often hear about gains of 200 or so jobs, only losses...
I can't say who, but I had the privilege to see a presentation last week delivered by a major corporation in the city that essentially says somewhere around 2017-18 there could be almost a 1,000 or more jobs laid off from downtown.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 3:04 PM
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Maybe downtown, but certainly not city-wide. And the downtown story is yet to be written. We don't know what's going to happen or what deals are moving in the background. The company I left last year was getting wedged into whatever space was left because of a hotel conversion. Not because of more companies moving in. A shitload of commercial space may be opening up, but it doesn't all need to be offices or Fortune 1000 corporations moving in to fill it.

Honestly, I have always thought the really major new office deals would be tech-oriented and clustered away from downtown., and that seems to be happening. The office industries that are growing quickly are growing out of the east end for the most part. The city is balancing out. Downtown is going more residential and tourism, and other neighborhoods are getting big offices. A friend who works close to the employment numbers at Google (which are super private), pegs things at nearing 1000 once BKSQ2 opens – far above what they're reporting to media. And that's just Google, not the other tech companies moving into the Strip.

The glut is not a bubble, and probably not something to be concerned about. The spaces will fill out in some manner, and it won't take long.
The lenders I talk to aren't focusing on just downtown. They are talking East Liberty, the North Shore, and South Side as well. Pretty much city wide. Developers have been rushing to get their plans started because they worry that the financing for these projects is going to dry up as the banks view them riskier each day. Internal numbers for the banks are a lot less rosy than they appear from outside and their numbers say we are gonna have a glut of Class A for many years.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 4:37 PM
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I can't say who, but I had the privilege to see a presentation last week delivered by a major corporation in the city that essentially says somewhere around 2017-18 there could be almost a 1,000 or more jobs laid off from downtown.
What, across every company? How can they predict this without factoring in for any jobs added in downtown?
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 5:26 PM
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What, across every company? How can they predict this without factoring in for any jobs added in downtown?
I think they are referring to a company that is preparing to lay off 1000 of their own employees downtown.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2015, 10:20 PM
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What, across every company? How can they predict this without factoring in for any jobs added in downtown?
I didn't have pen and paper so I don't remember exactly, but that number included affiliated companies I believe that they contract? So those could feasibly find other work I guess. A lot of it was based on market trends of consolidation in that sector.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 12:18 AM
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The Yards

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 12:20 AM
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2500 Smallman (taken from the 25th Street Side) 6/25/2015

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2015, 12:24 AM
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Oxford office @ Three Crossings

You can see they put up a "fully leased" sign up on the fencing last week. This was right after it was announced that Apple was taking space and Rycon was taking the rest.

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