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Old Posted Aug 30, 2014, 12:14 AM
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I dunno...

Big stadium + rec centre/ high school.

Do we see other cities creating 'precincts' like this? Did Edmonton madly try to squeeze a school next to its new arena? Different situation, sure, but I still find the whole plan off and, at the very least, uninspiring.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2014, 8:10 PM
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We are getting a rec cetre and high school with a new stadium while Edmonton gets this with their new downtown arena, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle20260373/
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2014, 8:37 PM
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Downtown? Why would Edmonton put an arena there?
They should have put it in one city's poorer neighbourhoods instead.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2014, 12:19 AM
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I just don't see how the City can recoup its investment in the stadium if it's surrounded by a rec centre, high school and sport fields.

A professional football stadium is not a public service, so if you're gonna use public funds, you'd better get something serious back in the way of increased taxes, etc.

In the end, it never works out particularly well for cities where sports stadia are concerned.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2014, 12:50 AM
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I just don't see how the City can recoup its investment in the stadium if it's surrounded by a rec centre, high school and sport fields.

A professional football stadium is not a public service, so if you're gonna use public funds, you'd better get something serious back in the way of increased taxes, etc.

In the end, it never works out particularly well for cities where sports stadia are concerned.
It's never about the stadium or arena generating income, it's about the secondary businesses that surround the stadiums generating tax dollars for the cities. In the case of THF that won't happen because there is no room for the secondary businesses and most of the businesses associated with entertainment/stadium districts would be undesirable in that residential area.
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In the case of THF that won't happen because there is no room for the secondary businesses and most of the businesses associated with entertainment/stadium districts would be undesirable in that residential area.
Bingo!

And the waterfront and downtown continue to move forward in an exciting fashion. What a squandered opportunity.
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It's just sickening to compare what Ottawa is getting with their new stadium compared to Hamilton.
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Council approved the new plan. Now just need the School board to approve as well.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2015, 9:44 PM
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Excellent news!!

Jimmy Thompson Pool won't be demolished after all

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...-all-1.3015237

For a while, it looked like it might be demolished, but councillors voted on Monday to save the historic Jimmy Thompson Pool.

City staff recommended earlier this year that that pool, built in 1930, be torn down to make way for the new Bernie Morelli Seniors Centre.

But the general issues committee voted unanimously to incorporate the pool into the $17-million seniors centre.

The pool is an important part of the community, said Coun. Matthew Green of Ward 3, who moved the motion.

“It’s a relief for people across the city,” he said. “It is one of those city-wide heritage features that everyone has fond memories of.”

In a report this year, staff said the cheapest option was to demolish the pool at 1099 King St. E. The municipal heritage committee protested, sending an emphatic message to save the pool. Two of Thompson’s daughters also threatened to remove his name from the site if the city didn’t save the pool.

The pool was built for the 1930 British Empire Games, and is the only surviving structure from that event. Thompson won the gold medal for the 4 x 400-yard freestyle relay event. The building façade has Mediterranean architectural element. In 2013, the city added it to its registry of properties with cultural heritage value.

The combination pool and seniors centre are part of a number of new developments at Scott Park. The new Tim Horton’s Field stadium is nearing completion. The Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board is also building a new high school there.

The decision will be ratified at a council meeting on April 8.
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Yay
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2015, 12:36 AM
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2015, 4:12 AM
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Here's all the renderings for anyone that doesn't wanna open the PDFs:


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Old Posted Jun 18, 2015, 5:33 AM
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I'm glad they're planning to go with a more extensive frontage along King.

On another note... is there ANY reason NOT to use ACTUAL imagery of the escarpment and cityscape in conceptual renderings these days? Seriously. Come on people, all it takes is a single digital pic, or a search and possibly a request to use an existing image . Same thing happened for The Connolly.
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There will be an interesting "now vs. then" slideshow to be created for this area once the new school and seniors' centre are built, perhaps comparing to what it looked like in the 1990s.

Lots of change... the Scott Park block, the stadium, Prince of Wales replaced, Parkview gone, the old glass plant gone... I can't imagine Stadium Mall can continue to justify its existence for a long time either.

Even the Dizzy Weasel has re-branded itself.
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Designs released for new north Hamilton high school
(The Hamilton Spectator: Wednesday, June 17, 2015)
By: Emma Reilly

Picture a school with a suspended indoor track, a greenhouse, dedicated hangout zones, and movable walls that allow classrooms to grow and change based on students' needs.

Now, picture that school situated next to an LRT hub, a recreation centre and a world-class stadium.

These are some of the features of the new north Hamilton secondary school presented to councillors and public school board trustees this week.

Designs for the $32-million high school have finally been presented in public, first at Monday night's Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board meeting, then at Wednesday's General Issues Committee meeting at City Hall.

The school, designed by Svedas and MJMA architects, will sit as an L shape facing the corner of Melrose Avenue and King Street East. The three-storey building will extend down Melrose and end at Cannon Street, just across the street from Tim Hortons Field.

On the same seven-acre block, the city will build the Bernie Morelli recreation centre facing the corner of Cannon and Balsam Avenue. A revamped Jimmy Thompson pool will remain at the corner of Balsam and King.

"This is a transformational project," said Ward 3 Coun. Matt Green. "I feel like this is going to be an absolute anchor — a city-wide jewel — and something that we can all be proud of."

The joint city and school board project is the culmination of years of acrimonious debate that saw multiple proposals come and go. The final plans, which call for a shared green space between the city and school board buildings, wouldn't have been possible if the often-tense relationship between the parties hadn't improved.

"It's not as if we've drawn a line down the property and one side is the city's and the other side is the board," said board chair Todd White. "To have all of those amenities situated in close proximity really shows how the organizations can work together."

The school has been designed with openness and flexibility in mind. It's a far cry from the traditional model, with rows of boxed-off classrooms. Designs include open and multi-purpose classrooms, places to study and socialize, and amenities such as the indoor track and greenhouse.

"When you look at it, it really does use that open space concept where students can collaborate and learn," White said.

Among the most interesting features is a multi-use space that can serve as both a cafeteria and a theatre. That space will feature a stage in front of a garage-style door that can open onto the green space facing Cannon Street.

Hypothetically, if Cannon were to be closed to traffic, public concerts or events held there could stretch from the stage all the way to Tim Hortons Field.

"That's something that either we as a school or the city could take advantage of," said White.

The project is set to begin as soon as the city lifts the construction freeze put in place for the duration of the Pan Am Games. The building is expected to open to students in September 2017.









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Old Posted Jun 18, 2015, 3:36 PM
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A parking lot right on King Street...? Come on... lol
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Interior renders look real nice, but I'm not loving the exterior, it's a little uninspiring considering the epic building that got torn down to make room for this one.
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Interior renders look real nice, but I'm not loving the exterior, it's a little uninspiring considering the epic building that got torn down to make room for this one.
Personal opinion I guess, but just about anything will be more inspiring than the epically horrific monstrosity that was Scott Park HS.

I imagine we'll see better renders as the plan firms up, but I'm not expecting stunning architecture from the school board. I think the design of the new education centre turned out well, and better than its early drawings suggested, so perhaps there's reason to hope this new school will look good when built.
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Interior renders look real nice, but I'm not loving the exterior, it's a little uninspiring considering the epic building that got torn down to make room for this one.
Same feels.
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That is literally the most bare bones render ever, so I wouldn't count on that design being final. My guess is it's more to show scale and footprint.
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