YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[CareerShow]

^Some very good points. Its a long way to travel from pretty much anywhere. Anyone think Virgin America will start YVR LAX or SFO?

[Johnny Aussie]

YVR will see some limited 787-900 flights in Sept.

One return trip each to ICN, PVG and NRT.

Perhaps this may be a sign of things to come.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/06/12/ac-asia-sep15/

[Denscity]

^^^ Johnny you're always the "bearer of good news". Im still stoked about Mexicana and all the one stop connections from Mexico city! Plus a possible A350 , rumoured A380 , and Hainan to Tianjing! And now here comes the 789s!

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

^Some very good points. Its a long way to travel from pretty much anywhere. Anyone think Virgin America will start YVR LAX or SFO?

If I'm not mistaken Virgin Atlantic stopped their LHR / YVR service so I don't think it now makes as much sense for Virgin America to tie YVR into their schedule. But we can cross our fingers... I'd expect SFO / YVR might come sooner than LAX / YVR since they've made SFO T2 their primary US hub.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

^Some very good points. Its a long way to travel from pretty much anywhere. Anyone think Virgin America will start YVR LAX or SFO?

Doubtful Virgin America would start services to YVR. Every US based LCC that attempts service to Canada gets is butt handed to them/ Besides there are three airlines all ready on the route (UA, AC, and WS).

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

If I'm not mistaken Virgin Atlantic stopped their LHR / YVR service so I don't think it now makes as much sense for Virgin America to tie YVR into their schedule. But we can cross our fingers... I'd expect SFO / YVR might come sooner than LAX / YVR since they've made SFO T2 their primary US hub.

Virgin Atlantic got off the YVR route when their new masters (DL) started to divert traffic to SEA.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

^^^ Johnny you're always the "bearer of good news". Im still stoked about Mexicana and all the one stop connections from Mexico city! Plus a possible A350 , rumoured A380 , and Hainan to Tianjing! And now here comes the 789s!

Thanks but to be fair I try and post anything relevant to YVR even if it may appear to be bad news too. It's just that lately the good news has outweighed the bad news at YVR by a long shot.

Mexicana is gone... I know you meant Aeromexico!

I think YVR will see an A350 well before an A380 but happy to see both

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Denscity

^^^ Johnny you're always the "bearer of good news". Im still stoked about Mexicana and all the one stop connections from Mexico city! Plus a possible A350 , rumoured A380 , and Hainan to Tianjing! And now here comes the 789s!

Could any of these flights be "same plane" flights to São Paulo or Lima?

[Denscity]

^^^ Yes I meant AeroMexico and the one stop I mentioned is Mexico City not another stop beyond Mexico City.

[Johnny Aussie]

So.....

If Hainan does commence YVR flights and all the other routes are the same as this summer.... This could be the YVR-China weekly schedule during the peak summer 2016:

SHE/CTU: 3U 3 weekly 332
PEK: CA 14 weekly 77W; AC 7 weekly 77W
TSN: HU 5 weekly weekly 333 or 332 (equipment unconfirmed)
PVG: MU 11 weekly 332; AC 7 weekly 788
PVG/KMG: MU 3 weekly 332
HKG: CX 14 weekly 77W; AC 7 weekly 77W
CAN: CZ 7 weekly 788

Total: 78 flights per week to 8 destinations

And I am sure Hainan will sign up with Westjet for code shares.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So.....

If Hainan does commence YVR flights and all the other routes are the same as this summer.... This could be the YVR-China weekly schedule during the peak summer 2016:

SHE/CTU: 3U 3 weekly 332
PEK: CA 14 weekly 77W; AC 7 weekly 77W
TSN: HU 5 weekly weekly 333 or 332 (equipment unconfirmed)
PVG: MU 11 weekly 332; AC 7 weekly 788
PVG/KMG: MU 3 weekly 332
HKG: CX 14 weekly 77W; AC 7 weekly 77W
CAN: CZ 7 weekly 788

Total: 78 flights per week to 8 destinations

And I am sure Hainan will sign up with Westjet for code shares.

One hopes Xiamen Airlines will get off the fence, lol. Still really impressive though. I'm guessing that after SFO or maybe LAX, Vancouver probably has the most Chinese destinations of any airport in North America

[CareerShow]

I think Vancouver might be close to having the most weekly flights.

[excel]

Last I knew it does have the most weekly flights to China out of any North American airport.

[nname]

Originally Posted by excel

Last I knew it does have the most weekly flights to China out of any North American airport.

LAX beat us. This is what they got this summer from only the 4 major airports:

CAN: CZ 7 weekly
HKG: CX 28 weekly
PEK: CA 14 weekly
PVG: UA 7 weekly; MU 7 weekly; DL 7 weekly; AA 7 weekly

Total: 77x weekly

I haven't checked any secondary airport, but I know there are CSX-LAX and NKG-LAX coming up, and CX is planning to increase its service to 35 weekly.

China-JFK is pretty close too. I think they are at around 60-70 weekly (with 28 coming from CX alone) so we still beat them slightly.

And there's no way we can get any closer if we add TPE into the list. LAX-TPE got 42 weekly while YVR-TPE only have 11 (and will become 12 next summer). This is probably why my parents always complained that YVR's service to Asia is almost non-existent

[trofirhen]

Would all this in any way diminish YVR's role as a gateway city to Asia?

Sure YVR beats out SEA-TAC for china, but will LAX and SFO cause it to be bypassed for connecting flights to the USA & possible Latin America??

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would all this in any way diminish YVR's role as a gateway city to Asia?

Sure YVR beats out SEA-TAC for china, but will LAX and SFO cause it to be bypassed for connecting flights to the USA & possible Latin America??

Yup... YVR is foxtrot uniform charlie kilo echo delta... actually no it's obviously clearly well and truly foxtrot uniform charlie kilo echo delta.

This is the last time I address this.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

LAX beat us. This is what they got this summer from only the 4 major airports:

CAN: CZ 7 weekly
HKG: CX 28 weekly
PEK: CA 14 weekly
PVG: UA 7 weekly; MU 7 weekly; DL 7 weekly; AA 7 weekly

Total: 77x weekly

I haven't checked any secondary airport, but I know there are CSX-LAX and NKG-LAX coming up, and CX is planning to increase its service to 35 weekly.

China-JFK is pretty close too. I think they are at around 60-70 weekly (with 28 coming from CX alone) so we still beat them slightly.

And there's no way we can get any closer if we add TPE into the list. LAX-TPE got 42 weekly while YVR-TPE only have 11 (and will become 12 next summer). This is probably why my parents always complained that YVR's service to Asia is almost non-existent

Pretty impressive eh? Little YVR up there with the big boys. Hard to imagine why LAX has more flights to China though. Los Angeles is only slightly larger in population what with only 18.4 million people in its CSA. And NYC again just edging Vancouver with just under 24 million people (Damn! that's more people than all of 'Straya... 'Struth!!!)

But yeah time to get serious!

I have to say I was NOT expecting Hainan to come on board so soon though. I'm impressed! As the China market continues to grow look for more secondary markets to open up. Maybe not in the next 12 months but certainly in the medium to long term. And with the upcoming service increases (not just in the summer but winter as well) YVR is in a good position to get more of this huge pie just coming out of the oven. YVR is sitting pretty with a very sizeable O&D to China which Air Canada is projecting to grow faster than any other Canadian market... Pretty much on par with YYZ though. And with approximately 150 über wealthy Chinese immigrating to YVR monthly (via La Belle Provence!) AND the masses of the middle class streaming over as well... I can see why!

As for Xiamen I think they would put JFK ahead of YVR too. Maybe a through flight originating in Fuzhou or Xiamen stopping in YVR may be an option they would consider with 5th freedom on the YVR-JFK sector... Imagine them competing with CX and PR as well. But who knows what is possible.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yup... YVR is foxtrot uniform charlie kilo echo delta... actually no it's obviously clearly well and truly foxtrot uniform charlie kilo echo delta.

This is the last time I address this.

Lol

Agree with you on the O&D. Vancouver has a surprising amount of mindshare in China and with Canada continuing to be a popular destination for migrants, it's only going to grow.

What are the chances of CX adding another frequency to YVR? My last flight HKG-YVR in May was absolutely jam packed all classes

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Lol

Agree with you on the O&D. Vancouver has a surprising amount of mindshare in China and with Canada continuing to be a popular destination for migrants, it's only going to grow.

What are the chances of CX adding another frequency to YVR? My last flight HKG-YVR in May was absolutely jam packed all classes

I think the chances are better than 50/50.

From what I understand AC is also doing very well with its HD 777 on the route.

My comment about Chinese immigration to Vancouver is that Vancouver attracts a much higher percentage of the investor and entrepreneur categories. As I also alluded to they are using the Quebec Investor program as a way to side step into BC and Vancouver. This group has a much higher propensity to travel. So the large O&D to China from Vancouver will only grow at a higher rate than other Canadian markets... this appears to be supported by Air Canada's investor day graph about the Canada-China market.

Most likely I can see more flights to secondary Chinese cities and more flights to CAN. I also expect more flights to TPE and I wouldn't be surprised to see rouge start flying to NGO too.

[Johnny Aussie]

CAPA has released this report on Philippine Airlines.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ph...-300ers-and-potentially-a350-900s-229720

YVR is the second largest international route in its route network, after LAX, based on ASKs of course

They are looking at doing MNL-JFK nonstop but do not have any aircraft in their fleet to make the route viable ATM. If they do pick up some A350-900s this will most likely happen. Keeping the A340 on that route also makes the MNL-YVR route with inconsistent product. In the unlikely event I would actually fly PR I certainly know which flight I would choose based on equipment used!!

The report also said they will continue to serve YYZ as a one-stop route via YVR as the attempt at the route nonstop was due to lack of demand and not aircraft performance.

[Johnny Aussie]

Between 18 Aug and 7 Sep the route reduces from 14 to 12 weekly.
Between 8 Sep and 4 Oct the route reduces to 11 weekly.
Effective 5 Oct the route returns to double daily.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/06/16/aa-yvryeg-aug15/