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Mappy · #**3321** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 8:21 PM**

Digging Enigmatism415's option A... if they did that, and some improvements to the giant flat wall at the base, I would be all for it...

I just cant believe nobody has mentioned that the design sort of implies a leaning or tumbling tower, which seems inappropriate. Or invoking "Stairway to Heaven."

Michagain · #**3322** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 8:25 PM**

Wait, I'm not seeing where option A looks different than the current design. Can you help me, haha?

Edit: Never mind, I'm an idiot who can't recognize labels.

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Originally Posted by Mappy

Digging Enigmatism415's option A... if they did that, and some improvements to the giant flat wall at the base, I would be all for it...

I just cant believe nobody has mentioned that the design sort of implies a leaning or tumbling tower, which seems inappropriate. Or invoking "Stairway to Heaven."

Enigmatism415 · #**3323** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Michagain

Wait, I'm not seeing where option A looks different than the current design. Can you help me, haha?

I relabeled them just now so it makes sense, sorry. I also added 'Option AB' which is just a midway crossover between Options A and B.

Enigmatism415 · #**3324** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 8:59 PM**

On second thought, I think that the design below would be the best possible compromise. The main chunk (top two boxes) of the tower forms a square that runs all the way down (homage to the twins):

NYC GUY · #**3325** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 9:52 PM**

Just saw the design and at first I hated it. Nothing from what I was expecting and in all honesty I was a bit annoyed. But after watching the video and looking at renderings, it's starting to grow on me. In my opinion this tower looks pretty good from the memorial, and Brooklyn, and harbor. Northern side looks a bit out of proportion which is my only complaint. I feel like some of the renderings maybe exaggerate the boxes too much and I don't think it will look like that. The interior looks amazing tho and probably is my favorite of the 4 towers. The trees on the terraces look pretty cool in my opinion. Although I don't like Fox news at all (I'm a liberal

), those news tickers are pretty cool. I'm gonna have to agree with NY guy on this. If I had to choose which building I'd wanna work in, I'd pick 2 WTC.

BrownTown · #**3326** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 9:54 PM**

So, do we have any sort of timeline on when construction might actually restart and how much rework will be needed of the base before it starts rising? I just want to see ANYTHING get built here.

winlinmac001 · #**3327** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 10:15 PM**

I can't wait for this tower to be built. I'm in love with it all the way.
This tower combines everything we all ever wanted.

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Boy, this poor thread took a real nose dive in the last 36 hours. Everything I hate about SSC has made its way over here.

Besides, cmon, it's hard to argue that it doesn't fit well, if not better than Foster's design, from this view. The building is massive and will be awe-inspiring from all angles.

winlinmac001 · #**3328** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 10:26 PM**

I wonder how the floor space will be at the very top. Perhaps, Mechanical Floor Space? Hopefully, no one will feel cluster-phobic. Will be interesting to follow this one.

Submariner · #**3329** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 11:11 PM**

Jesus Christ guys, this is a forum about buildings. If you want to talk about socialism or capitalism or how the Illuminati control Bush and Clinton take it somewhere else.

hunser · #**3330** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 11:32 PM**

Nope, still looks bad. The crown is absolutely boring, and the tower as a whole is too blocky. And don't get me started how awful it looks when viewed from north.

A reminder ...

• Video Link

Bjark pales to Foster!

hunser · #**3331** Posted **Jun 10, 2015, 11:40 PM**

Hopefully both 80 South and 125G are in the 1,300' - 1,400' range so the WTC isn't the focal point of Lower Manhattan anymore. And of course a 2,000 footer would be nice to dwarf them all.

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Eidolon · #**3332** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 12:53 AM**

After getting over the initial shock of the redesign, I think I kinda like it. I do miss the foster design though and hopefully it be resurrected somewhere else in the city.

JR Ewing · #**3333** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 12:55 AM**

This is Rome in the first year of our Lord, lads! The Capital of the World is abuzz!

jayden · #**3334** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 1:09 AM**

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Hmmm, that's the design, eh?

Great! Love it. Build it. Now. (well, hurry up and get leases financed and signed!)

It's big, brash, brutal, and uncomfortable. But it does all four well. From most angles this will help the WTC and the FT come alive, architecturally. Now we have a taller, more powerful building that anchors 1WTC very nice and seemingly restores the skyline for real.

It's big, bold, and evokes a different sense of power. 2WTC looks like a big machine of stacked components, a weird next-generation version of one of the old twin towers.

The flat top pulls it into the rest of complex, nicely-cladded flat tops suggest (to me) a more serious, confident projection of the city in the skyline.

I love EVERYTHING about this post.

Zapatan · #**3335** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by hunser

Hopefully both 80 South and 125G are in the 1,300' - 1,400' range so the WTC isn't the focal point of Lower Manhattan anymore. And of course a 2,000 footer would be nice to dwarf them all.

Is the 125G in the new 2WTC rendering just an old massing model or is the building now really supertall? I guess another 400+ meter tower couldn't hurt to balance things out

What are the odds of 80SS going that high? That would balance out the skyline with the WTC so well, I really hope that happens.

Guiltyspark · #**3336** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

It is indeed a shame to see Foster's go, but there area plenty of opportunities elsewhere in NYC for something just as magnificent. I think this revision's best chance of "making sense" in the downtown skyline will be when viewed with 56 Leonard in the picture. Those two will certainly make a unique team.

I see this happen a lot. We all get excited about a building in NYC, then we see the final product and people go "well this sucks, but there are plenty of other opportunistic for greatness." Then we see what Nordstrom or 2wtc or Manhattan West ends up as and we have to start the cycle over. There are only so many opportunities left to squander.

Dwils01 · #**3337** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 2:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

Brings home my point. Exactly what do you know about the Foster design that was vastly superior to this one beyond the diamond summit everyone liked? Then put on a rational thinking cap, look at the new version, and tell me which one people would rather work in. Don't even bother with that second part.

This is a much more substantial tower, more equal in stature to the Freedom Tower. Now Im trying to figure out if 125 is in the model.

The new tower does have some good qualities to it and some stuff that I like about it. What I liked more about the other proposals was the base and the way the diamonds sloped away from the memorial. The new proposal has a huge base that could work with the pedestrian experience if designed right. My biggest problem with it is that it slopes toward the memorial site and looks like the heaviest part is on top. Unlike 1 WTC and 4 WTC where there highest points slope away from away from the site or have a set back 2 WTC now slopes towards the memorial and throws off the whole thing the original proposal was going for.

As for which one I'd rather work in that would be hard to say without seeing interior renders of both designs but considering how the new building is designed probably the newest one.

I don't hate the new design, I quite like it but I still prefer the old design to this one. If this new design gets built, which I think it will, I don't think it would a bad thing at all. I'll just be happy when the whole complex is complete and not a construction zone anymore.

JR Ewing · #**3338** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 2:36 AM**

New York today is like Rome in the first year of our Lord.

CHI -21c · #**3339** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 2:38 AM**

Nearly all of the 100 comments on Curbed NY call this design A DISGRACE.
When laymen can tear apart a design, you know it's bad.

This is a travesty.

I need to remind everyone that architecture is very symbolic. And this is Ground Zero. This is Two World Trade Center......
Is there nothing we can say about our country and 9/11 through architecture?

This design is so nihilistic and soulless.....
How many minutes of thought were put into it?

It's insulting to the victims of 9/11, who upheld the commerce of the greatest country on earth, to erect a building symbolizing nothing at all. This is such a lazy, banal, and unsophisticated doodle. Like the Wanda Vista, which (5-year-old) Jeanie Gang has burdened us with in Chicago.

The previous design was dignified. It had verticality, it looked like it was holding up a badge of stars the way Lady Liberty holds up her torch. It presented a symbol in New York's skyline and reflected dignity and honor.

TODAY'S LAZY, UNCULTURED ARCHITECTS ARE MARRING THE WORLD WITH THEIR IGNORANCE.

Hamilton · #**3340** Posted **Jun 11, 2015, 2:50 AM**

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Half of these comments are just "f**k this complex" "everything is ruined" "it's a disgrace" blah blah, your attitudes are a disgrace. Really, I've never seen such a bunch of dismissive, stubborn, ungrateful and closed-minded people in my life.

Anyone who disagrees with you and thinks this design is a blemish on the skyline is a dismissive,stubborn, ungrateful, and close-minded terrorist and kitten-killer. Do I have that right?

If Murdoch and Ingels wanted to build a 1400 foot version of the Verizon tower by the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge, we should applaud and be grateful for the opportunity, because otherwise nothing would get built. Right?